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SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:18 pm

all of them .. none of them

normanaj · Post by **normanaj** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:20 pm

You're quick but that isn't very helpful.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:22 pm

normanaj wrote:You're quick but that isn't very helpful.

neither is the question which has as many answers as all possible combinations of VSTi. Not to mention it defeats the purpose of a thread where we are discussing Falcon.

normanaj · Post by **normanaj** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:26 pm

I'm trying to get a feel for Falcon's limitations so i can decide on a purchase...unfortunately, i don't have all your vast experience in this field so i'm reaching out here.
If you tell me i need every vsti to cover what falcon can't do then I'm out.

Very simple question i asked. What synths will compliment Falcon for someone new who wants to learn this stuff?

Musical Gym · Post by **Musical Gym** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:28 pm

normanaj wrote:I have zero knowledge of their strength, weaknesses/limitations.

Just get one, learn it well, and then another after that if you think you need it. Otherwise you will get scattered, overwhelmed, and trying to sell them on Marketplace. Falcon would definitely be in the first choice category at the intro price.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:30 pm

normanaj wrote:I'm trying to get a feel for Falcon's limitations so i can decide on a purchase...unfortunately, i don't have all your vast experience in this field so i'm reaching out here.
If you tell me i need every vsti to cover what falcon can't do then I'm out.

Very simple question i asked. What synths will compliment Falcon for someone new who wants to learn this stuff?

there's no way to answer the question. What kind of music do you want to make? If you don't know anything about synthesis, the answers won't make any sense. For example, Falcon, Halion and several VSTi do granular synthesis but they all have little bits and bobs the other don't .. knowing which bit or bob will be important to you is impossible to answer. Same with FM .. will 4 operators suffice? Virtual Analog .. do you like retro or modern ... what do those terms mean to you etc .... This is an open ended, unanswerable question.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:31 pm

normanaj wrote:I'm trying to get a feel for Falcon's limitations so i can decide on a purchase...unfortunately, i don't have all your vast experience in this field so i'm reaching out here.
If you tell me i need every vsti to cover what falcon can't do then I'm out.

Very simple question i asked. What synths will compliment Falcon for someone new who wants to learn this stuff?

A book can be written to answer this question. I wish it were that easy. So I'll simplify my answer. Like all Swiss Army Knives (which is what Falcon is) they can do just about everything BUT...there are synths out there that can do one particular thing better than Falcon.

For example.

Serum, as a dedicated Wavetable synth, is more powerful than Falcon.

The Mangle, as a dedicated granular synth, is more powerful than Falcon.

Diva, as a dedicated analog emulation synth, is more powerful than Falcon.

But if you don't have to have the absolute best of the best in every possible synthesis type, then Falcon is probably the only synth you will ever need, even above something like Omnisphere 2.

This is probably the most "accurate" answer you're going to get. It doesn't necessarily mean you don't need other synths because only YOU know just what it is you're looking for.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:31 pm

by the way .. I'm not trying to be a jerk. Threads that contain "what's the best" or "how do I sound like DJ x" are about the most annoying things on a music forum.

Musical Gym · Post by **Musical Gym** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:34 pm

Go to youtube and watch as many videos as you can that demonstrate and teach the thousands of vsts available. You need to do a little homework first. You might think about getting some freeware soft synths initially. Go to the forums here and see what people are talking about.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:34 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:by the way .. I'm not trying to be a jerk. Threads that contain "what's the best" or "how do I sound like DJ x" are about the most annoying things on a music forum.

In defense of the OP, I understand how he feels. Somebody just starting off in this "business" can be hopelessly lost when it comes to trying to decide what synth to get. Even though i got my first synth in 1979, VSTs were like a bottomless pit for me. Just researching what was possible took months.

Believe me, I sympathize with him.

Gribs · Post by **Gribs** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:37 pm

normanaj wrote:I'm very much aware of all the soft synths that are currently on the market but I have zero knowledge of their strength, weaknesses/limitations. I'd like to purchase a few synths but as few as possible to learn and cover all bases of sound design without any limits. If i buy this one, which looks and sounds extremely awesome, which others should look at to fill in any gaps?
Thanks in advance,

Based on the feature set of Falcon I would say just concentrate on it for a long time and if you find an itch that needs scratching then branch out.

If you want sample sets that are more on the side of traditional sampled orchestral stuff, pianos and keys, etc., then you can look at UVI and Machfive libraries, which it will load.

One possible suggestion is that if you are interested in modular type things then you could get Bazille, ACE, Reaktor or one of the other modular environments.

I have a stupid number of software synths - so many that most never get opened. I have never sold a single software license on the second hand market. Perhaps I should start.

normanaj · Post by **normanaj** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:51 pm

Thank you all for the advice. I know it's an open ended question but the advice is more than i could hope for.
i will start with Falcon then go from there. SJ_Digriz, you weren't a jerk...you were being honest and i appreciate that. Next questions will be directly related to falcon...i promise

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SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:58 pm

normanaj wrote:Thank you all for the advice. I know it's an open ended question but the advice is more than i could hope for.
i will start with Falcon then go from there. SJ_Digriz, you weren't a jerk...you were being honest and i appreciate that. Next questions will be directly related to falcon...i promise .

Or, try to frame it in a context that can have an answer .. i.e.

"I want to do FM synthesis with my EDM trance tracks, will Falcon suffice or do I need FM8 or xxx? I like these types of FM sounds that have certain control parameters"

UltimateOutsider · Post by **UltimateOutsider** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:36 am

Gribs wrote:...and another question (sorry!)

Do you guys recommend downloading and installing UVI Workstation in addition to Falcon? Does it have DLLs that are required for the UVI library add-ons that enable them to run in Falcon?

The Workstation plugin is def. not required, but I actually like using it better than MachFive/Falcon when using UVI's legacy libraries (the ones that don't have cool custom user interfaces). UVI Workstation gives you a bunch of handy patch-wide macro controls when you open one of the non-scripted patches, which makes automating and controlling them a little quicker/easier than in MachFive/Falcon.

PatchAdamz · Post by **PatchAdamz** » Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:45 am

Here is an example more in the direction of Electronic and Ambient.
Also using Falcons ability to work with custom Impulse Responses.

https://soundcloud.com/vintage-synth-pa ... cean-blues

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