Diva Vs. Real Analog

[chk071]

Don't think i ever will get the "dry" argument. Noone makes synthesizer music without effects... noone even makes decent synth preset demos dry. At the very least, you will use the synth's effects, if any, and if you want to put it into a musical context, you'd use effects anyway.

And the synth in the video above sounds anything else but crappy and not brilliant to me. Of course it sounds better with effects, as does every synth, that's why you use effects.

Anyway, no need to play Minimoog defender, its legacy and the thousands of be-likes speaks for itself really.

[fluffy_little_something]

But it's difficult to go all Pearl Harbor on a soft synth the way he did on that Moog We need synths with a telepathy control interface

But soundwise I don't think it sounds much better than a good soft synth.

[wagtunes]

Well, it's all moot anyway. Apparently I must have sold it the last time I went to Sam Ash and unloaded a ton of gear to buy Omnisphere. The only thing I found in the basement is my Yamaha TG33. Even all my samplers are gone.

I just don't remember selling everything. I know I'm getting old by sheesh.

Anyway, I don't miss it. I stopped using my analog gear when I got my first Digital Workstation (Korg Triton) and never looked back. And even THAT I sold because I don't think it sounds that much better than what soft synths give us today.

The only synth I had that I regret selling was my Oberheim. Now THAT sounded amazing even dry.

But whatever. It's all water under the bridge.

[Z1202]

Let me hear this thing totally dry. Delay doesn't count as dry.

Dry. Not the minimoog, but almost How many softsynths can sound like that? And how easy is it to make sounds like that with those synths? Or tweak them further in realtime? Also in practice you will of course add FX on top.
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[zerocrossing]

Not a Moog, or even an older synth, but I was listening to these demos this morning and they struck me as sounding very "vintage" in a very good way. I believe most of them are dry.

https://soundcloud.com/dreadbox/sets/er ... paraphonic

Like them or not, it's a matter of taste, but I really like them a lot and these demos exemplify the sound that I plain and simply do not hear from software. If you don't care for this sound, then hardware is not for you, but if you do an Erebus can be had for $539. Contrary to what many have said on this thread, you can get the actual real deal for a pretty affordable amount of cash.

https://www.perfectcircuitaudio.com/ere ... synth.html

[EnGee]

It sounds like Monark (the video)

No, it is better than Monark. It has a wide range of frequency and needs a good player to take advantage of it. It can sound noisy easily but so what, it depends on how you tweak it.

Actually it sounded much better than the Sub Phatty (that I was watching after it). From the video of Sub Phatty, I can't say I like it. I much prefer the Mini moog. Anway, I like Arp Odyssey or Arp 2600 sounds much more than the moog. There was two groups those who prefered the Moog and those who prefered ARP. I think I'm from the second group

[do_androids_dream]

Don't think i ever will get the "dry" argument.

It's because a lot of analogs sound great dry. The same can't be said for the vast majority of soft synths. I haven't got a clue why but that's the way it is. Case in point is that analogs take hardly any processing to fit into a mix whereas software can sometimes be a bloody nightmare! (I do a lot of pop/dance mixes with clients who use both hard and soft).

[chk071]

That's totally contrary to what wagtunes said. He said that his Minimoog sounded like crap when played dry.

[sin night]

Not a Moog, or even an older synth, but I was listening to these demos this morning and they struck me as sounding very "vintage" in a very good way. I believe most of them are dry.

https://soundcloud.com/dreadbox/sets/er ... paraphonic

Like them or not, it's a matter of taste, but I really like them a lot and these demos exemplify the sound that I plain and simply do not hear from software. If you don't care for this sound, then hardware is not for you, but if you do an Erebus can be had for $539. Contrary to what many have said on this thread, you can get the actual real deal for a pretty affordable amount of cash.

https://www.perfectcircuitaudio.com/ere ... synth.html

I'm hearing a lot of delay/echo on those demos (the synth features a built in delay, so it makes sense). I did a quick search and there's no mention of bbd, but from the demos it sounds like that to my ears (could it be PT2399 based? I have no idea).
In my opinion, that kind of delay contributes A LOT to that sound.


By the way, based on what I'm listening on soundcloud, this synth is nice and it would still be even without a built in delay (by the way a stompbox could be added to any synth...).

[david.beholder]

https://www.jrrshop.com/studio-electron ... -4-filters

Membrane keys, really?

[do_androids_dream]

That's totally contrary to what wagtunes said. He said that his Minimoog sounded like crap when played dry.

His view certainly isn't the common opinion. Maybe he just has a dud of a Minimoog.

[chk071]

His view certainly isn't the common opinion.

I noticed that.

Btw, just listened to some demos of Monark. Not too impressed tbh. Does a Minimoog really sound that distorted most of the time? I remember Urs stating that the model they had, and which was used to model Monark sounded very aggressive. Did he mean distorted? Most Minimoog demos seem creamy and clean to me, not overly distorted.

[zerocrossing]

https://www.jrrshop.com/studio-electron ... -4-filters

Membrane keys, really?

Really. They seem to work great. I had an ATC-1 for years, and bought it used. It never failed. The X seems to also be high quality. I don't think these are the same technology that was used in the Moog Source from the 80s. Hell, there's a microwave oven built in that's got membrane buttons in the house we're renting and that thing looks like it's from the early 90s and it works fine. I have full confidence in my ATC-X and I do not hesitate to recommend it. They cut corners in the interface so they could make a synth with four filters at a reasonable price. I got mine used for $800. My only complaint is that when I first got it the stupid font on the controls was often unreadable in low light, but I know it so well now I just use it without really looking. I kind of really like the button/tweak editing of the thing.

Of course, if they really bother you, you can own an SE-1X for $850. It has the Moog and SEM style filters installed, but it's a three oscillator synth.

http://vintageking.com/studio-electronics-se-1x-vintage

I'm actually considering that synth to replace my ATC-X if I have to move again. One thing that's nice about Diva is that it doesn't add any shipping weight to my computer. My wife is up for a job in Portland and when I moved into this place I decided that I would severely downsize my rig. I'm not quite sure what I'll end up with but the current idea is sell the ATC-X for a SE-1X, sell the Prophet 12 for a Prophet 12 module (or possibly just use the 12 as my master MIDI keyboard) and buy a Modulus .002 rack. Oh, and I'll definitely keep my Kemper Profiling Amp, but the POD HD500 will most likely go. I won't ever go totally ITB again, but I do hate the entire moving process. Too stressful.

[zerocrossing]

His view certainly isn't the common opinion.

I noticed that.

Btw, just listened to some demos of Monark. Not too impressed tbh. Does a Minimoog really sound that distorted most of the time? I remember Urs stating that the model they had, and which was used to model Monark sounded very aggressive. Did he mean distorted? Most Minimoog demos seem creamy and clean to me, not overly distorted.

There was a trick with the Minimoog Model D where you could feed the output back into the synth for some aggressive feedback. This is one thing Monark does really well for software. Usually that type of thing falls apart in plug ins. You should hear my Prophet 12's feedback. You can make it sound like it's coming apart at the seams.

[chk071]

So basically they did that trick for the demo sounds? Guess i gotta search Youtube for some more meaningful demos then (or download the demo if there is any), the ones on NI's website really seem to rather show the screamy side of Monark. Not exactly what i have in mind when thinking of the Minimoog.

Ok, this one is better and also shows the load and feedback functions: