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chk071 wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:42 pm
Teksonik wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:41 pm
chk071 wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 3:12 pm
Teksonik wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:52 pm
chk071 wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2023 6:46 pm "Intrusive" is relative and subjective,
I define intrusive as installing running processes or items that want to run at startup:
Your web browser is intrusive then. It installs a background task to look for and install updates. Which even (how intrusive) writes itself into the task scheduler.
That's irrelevant to the point but also why I haven't installed any third party browsers or AV on my studio system.
Not that Windows built in browser or AV do anything else.

I don't want to bash on your point, and, what you do is your business, but, I just want to say that what you say is "intrusive" is in fact something that a lot of software does. Yes, also the built in ones (or, rather, especially those).
You're still missing the point which is just because other software can be intrusive doesn't mean that N.I. bloat can be justified when so many other developers do no have such intrusive components to their software.

On this system I have installed almost every demo and upgrade and beta and freeware known to mankind and only NI has running processes. To be fair I don't have the iLok or CodeMeter malware or the Waves bloat on this system although I did have some Waves plugins installed at some point. That's how I learned about its network thing that wants to run at startup and then there is Waves Central and waveshell and.....meanwhile most developers just sell plugins that you install and use without the need for a system takeover by a developer who thinks they have all rights to your system just because you bought a plugin from them.

I know you're just in defense of one of your favorite companies and that's fine but it doesn't change the fact that N.I. takes liberties with our systems that other developers simply do not.

Again N.I. is far from the worst offender but it is still an offender.....:shrug:

To reiterate my point, just because I buy a plugin from you it doesn't mean that gives you the right to do anything you wish to my most important computer system.

The protection of a company's intellectual property rights do not outweigh my right to protect the security, stability, and performance of my studio computer. Period.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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jules99 wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:18 am Who will be the next Native Instruments?
IK Multimedia
Universal Audio
Waves

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Fransisco partners private equity owns NI, many other tech companies as well. You buy from NI, you support private equity...its that simple

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Teksonik wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:33 pm
Just because I buy a plugin from you it doesn't mean that gives you the right to do anything you wish to my most important computer system.

The protection of a company's intellectual property rights do not outweigh my right to protect the security, stability, and performance of my studio computer. Period.
It's just too tempting for a software developer to branch out into other systems. You
don't want to take over everything straight away. It's just a matter of getting your
foot in the door first. :wink:
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vertibration wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:59 pm Fransisco partners private equity owns NI, many other tech companies as well. You buy from NI, you support private equity...its that simple
Oh, yes, from that perspective we all should now buy NI products!
Thanks for your heads up! :tu:

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martinjuenke wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:21 pm
vertibration wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:59 pm Fransisco partners private equity owns NI, many other tech companies as well. You buy from NI, you support private equity...its that simple
Oh, yes, from that perspective we all should now buy NI products!
Thanks for your heads up! :tu:
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martinjuenke wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:21 pm
vertibration wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:59 pm Fransisco partners private equity owns NI, many other tech companies as well. You buy from NI, you support private equity...its that simple
Oh, yes, from that perspective we all should now buy NI products!
Thanks for your heads up! :tu:
Its not a perspective. Its a fact. A fact can be verified, a perspective is a particular attitude or way of thinking about something.

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vertibration wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:48 pm
martinjuenke wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:21 pm
vertibration wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:59 pm Fransisco partners private equity owns NI, many other tech companies as well. You buy from NI, you support private equity...its that simple
Oh, yes, from that perspective we all should now buy NI products!
Thanks for your heads up! :tu:
Its not a perspective. Its a fact. A fact can be verified, a perspective is a particular attitude or way of thinking about something.
Oh, yes, given this fact we all should now buy NI products!
Thanks for your heads up! :tu:

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martinjuenke wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:59 pm
vertibration wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:48 pm
martinjuenke wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:21 pm
vertibration wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:59 pm Fransisco partners private equity owns NI, many other tech companies as well. You buy from NI, you support private equity...its that simple
Oh, yes, from that perspective we all should now buy NI products!
Thanks for your heads up! :tu:
Its not a perspective. Its a fact. A fact can be verified, a perspective is a particular attitude or way of thinking about something.
Oh, yes, given this fact we all should now buy NI products!
Thanks for your heads up! :tu:
I get the feeling that you are clueless about the impact private equity has on companies if they happen to underperform.

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vertibration wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:05 pm
martinjuenke wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:59 pm
vertibration wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:48 pm
martinjuenke wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:21 pm
vertibration wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:59 pm Fransisco partners private equity owns NI, many other tech companies as well. You buy from NI, you support private equity...its that simple
Oh, yes, from that perspective we all should now buy NI products!
Thanks for your heads up! :tu:
Its not a perspective. Its a fact. A fact can be verified, a perspective is a particular attitude or way of thinking about something.
Oh, yes, given this fact we all should now buy NI products!
Thanks for your heads up! :tu:
I get the feeling that you are clueless about the impact private equity has on companies if they happen to underperform.
Tell us more!

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rather not waste my time with naive fanboi's

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Tikehau Capital would have been a much better investor in NI. They’re super kewl.
I lost my heart in Cap de Creus

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revvy wrote: Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:51 pm Tikehau Capital would have been a much better investor in NI. They’re super kewl.
No private equity firm is super kewl. Cmon man.....

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Yeah, I thought we were all rebels down here. Deeply disappoint.

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Crony-capitalism's a 'dead man walking'. As much as we might love Native Instruments' or U-He's plugs and/or the folks behind them, any biz-- and that's almost all-- that works within that model is also 'dead', just that they, along with the superset crony-capitalist model, haven't hit the pavement yet-- 'they don't know it yet'. 'Everything's fine, until it isn't.'

There are those, perhaps including John Zerzan and/or the late David Graeber, who suggest that the best and only model that might work is a gift economy. If so, the sooner we can get it, the better.

Software like Linux, Surge XT, Cardinal, Vital/Vitalium and the recent Vaporizer, as related software, seem to function more in that sort of spirit.
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