KVR Audio

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:31 pm

Teksonik wrote:Does one need to own Reason for Record to function?

nope.

randyandyvandaman · Post by **randyandyvandaman** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:31 pm

No Record will function without Reason. I think the easiest way for forum members is to go to Props site and go into the Record blog and info.
I think that if you already own Reason 4 then Record will be a good enhancement to your existing workflow.

Cheers

captain caveman · Post by **captain caveman** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:59 pm

jupiter8 wrote:
D-Fusion wrote:A DAW doesn't need to support vst's to be a DAW (It doesn't even require Midi)

DAW stands for Digital Audio Workstation so since Record supports Audio it is a DAW
Record is NOT a DAW

It's definately not "a whole new take on music recording" anyway. It's funny this new-host thing where people get excited about stuff we have been able to do in other apps for years.

Sheeple will be sheeple.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:25 pm

captain caveman wrote: It's definately not "a whole new take on music recording" anyway. It's funny this new-host thing where people get excited about stuff we have been able to do in other apps for years.

Actually I do think it is a whole new *Take* - because the approach is definitely different to other recording software. I think it does boil down to workflow quite considerably. In my opinion it is not the easiest programme to navigate and get into though. I think it's kinda amusing that in the promo videos etc they stress how easy it is to navigate using F5, F6 and F7. The stuff done in three windows in Record can essentially be done in a single window in Cubase (and most other good DAWs)

The other big disappointment I think is the inability to drop in audio loop and have it match the tempo. I think that will be the no.1 feature request (well, alongside Rewire master ability perhaps). Especially odd decision considering the the timestretch in Record is absolutely remarkable - the best I have heard in any software by a considerable stretch (pardon the pun!).

in other words, I think its a mixed bag. My main concern is that having taken 5 years to develop it this far, I wonder how long it will take for major feature requests such as these to get implemented...

mumpcake · Post by **mumpcake** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:15 pm

jupiter8 wrote:
D-Fusion wrote:A DAW doesn't need to support vst's to be a DAW (It doesn't even require Midi)

DAW stands for Digital Audio Workstation so since Record supports Audio it is a DAW
Record is NOT a DAW

It reminds me of some of the new shopping malls that opened up in my area in the last few years that have had PR saying "We're not a mall, we're a retail resort environment" or some such bs.

D-Fusion · Post by **D-Fusion** » Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:36 pm

captain caveman wrote:
jupiter8 wrote:
D-Fusion wrote:A DAW doesn't need to support vst's to be a DAW (It doesn't even require Midi)

DAW stands for Digital Audio Workstation so since Record supports Audio it is a DAW
Record is NOT a DAW

It's definately not "a whole new take on music recording" anyway. It's funny this new-host thing where people get excited about stuff we have been able to do in other apps for years.

Sheeple will be sheeple.

I wonder what category Record goes under then

Maybe they have a new name for it (NAW - Not Audio Workstation)

captain caveman · Post by **captain caveman** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:25 am

headquest wrote:
captain caveman wrote: It's definately not "a whole new take on music recording" anyway. It's funny this new-host thing where people get excited about stuff we have been able to do in other apps for years.

Actually I do think it is a whole new *Take* - because the approach is definitely different to other recording software.

I don't get how it is different though. For example, they talk about how easy it is to set up and record, but it is just as easy to load a track preset on another daw and start recording.

What is it specifically that make it a whole new take in you opinion?

ozmoz2008 · Post by **ozmoz2008** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:46 am

captain caveman wrote:
What is it specifically that make it a whole new take in you opinion?

Why do they put out a DAW when it's not even needed anymore...unless they really bring some miracles...which I don't think they did with Record...

Instead they should have work on updating Reason to a 64bit compatibility and maybe new features...

Record is really not a pretty wise move I think

Well let's see what will happen with Reason!

Morgaxx · Post by **Morgaxx** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:58 am

Could it be that Propellerheads, a real and relatively important company in this arena, would like to not be sued or taken to task over false advertising. DAW is a workstation. In our sphere as digital music types, this DAW term implies code running on hardware (its the hardware running code that makes something a 'station'). Lots of people refer to only the software as a code/physical thing with the use of the term "DAW". It is only software.

hmmm...

ozmoz2008 · Post by **ozmoz2008** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:02 am

Morgaxx wrote:Could it be that Propellerheads, a real and relatively important company in this arena, would like to not be sued or taken to task over false advertising. DAW is a workstation. In our sphere as digital music types, this DAW term implies code running on hardware (its the hardware running code that makes something a 'station'). Lots of people refer to only the software as a code/physical thing with the use of the term "DAW". It is only software.

hmmm...

Are you a lawyer? ...you may have a case here!

Morgaxx · Post by **Morgaxx** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:11 am

Are you a lawyer? ...you may have a case here!

I'm no lawyer, but I am taking on clients (their retainers at least).

ozmoz2008 · Post by **ozmoz2008** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:17 am

Morgaxx wrote:
Are you a lawyer? ...you may have a case here!
I'm no lawyer, but I am taking on clients (their retainers at least).

Sorry couldn't resist...but I do agree with your statement though

I just hope that they will focus on the right things instead of another recording software...unfortunetaly it's like reverb plugs...everyone wants his own little thing...and at the end as far as recording soft is involved....compatibility becomes an issue for all VSTs devs...

Wake up Props!...I know you can!

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:47 am

captain caveman wrote:I don't get how it is different though.

Have you tried it out?

For example, they talk about how easy it is to set up and record, but it is just as easy to load a track preset on another daw and start recording.

Agreed. I think that part of the blurb isn't smart...

What is it specifically that make it a whole new take in you opinion?

It's a completely different "workflow". Perhaps that word gets overused around here, but in this case it's entirely true. Recording and mixing a project in Record is a quite different process from any other software. While the "conceptual heart" of most audio software - and the main focus - is the sequencing window (with everything else fitting around that), in Record it is firstly the Mixer, then the rack and sequencer.

It is unique. And not so much because of the features (although some of those are actually unique too - e.g. the modular routing on every audio track, the amazing behind the scenes timestretch, the whole SSL mixing paradigm in software, the huge track count that is possible due to the closed environment, etc). More than the features, it is unique because of the workflow imho.

Having said that, the marketing is odd. Record is a hugely complex programme. Those who found the rack in Reason intimidating will be completely floored by Record. To start with, the SSL mixer is totally seperate to the Rack. Every audio track and every MIDI instrument track requires its own Combinator-style unit which sits in the Rack and acts as an interface between the Rack/Sequencer and the SSL Mixer. Each of those "Mix Track" units has its own Rack-in-a-Rack abilities to host chains of instruments and effects, with a Combinator style routing matrix. From there the track goes into the SSL Mixer, which again has its own send effects setup. This is all pretty damned complex...

For the Reason Power-User types who love experimenting with all the crazy routing stuff, I think this will be a dream come true. But for Joe Guitarist who want to buy his first easy-to-use recording programme... I'm certainly not convinced. I think that such users will barely scratch the surface of Record's real power. For that type of user, stuff like Steinberg's Sequel or Apple's Garageband are FAR better options imho.

christianmusicmaker · Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:44 am

Nice feedback HQ. Useful.

randyandyvandaman · Post by **randyandyvandaman** » Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:54 am

A nice positive feedback from HQ.

I for one cant wait to patch whatever into my Pod Farm interface
and let rip in Record. As a Reason 4 user( not power user ) I am looking forward
to working in different ways to stimulate left and right brain activity. I think that if this program is CPU efficient then Props will have a real winner on its hands and while we are using this bring on R5 within 6-12 months.
Most of us on this Forum have more than one DAW so I cant see the problem with working with at least one closed system.

Jeremy Janzen of Nucleus sound Lab said in a recent post that Massive and Thor are more powerful than Largo. I take the word from one one of the worlds premier sound designers.

If this "Daw " is not to your liking give something else a try.

Cheers

Record: New DAW from Propellerheads