Why Do "Musicians" Make D+B ???

[videzyrah]

1. My guess was that d+b sounds formulaic because it's made moreso by DJ types than by "Musicians." I.E. alot of the people making it have a good sense of how to layer and conjoin prepackaged loops to get a sound that adequately resembles the familiar feel of the genre, but they don't really know much about how to compose melodies (other than the familiar two bar swell sounding thingys) or program decent drum beats.

Thus, I figured d+b all sounds the same because there's probably a bunch of jackasses all using the same loops/drumkits/samples/patches that come bundled with REASON.

2.KVR should have a dance competition for its users.

[MadPsyance]

That's a pretty ballsy statement. Got any to back it up?

[diverdee]

I still like the odd bit of dandelion & burdock - but as a genre (on the whole) it seems to have become extremely 'in-bred'.
It's needs livening up with a little new blood, some new ideas - some duelling banjos.

[The Chase]

1. My guess was that d+b sounds formulaic because it's made moreso by DJ types than by "Musicians." I.E. alot of the people making it have a good sense of how to layer and conjoin prepackaged loops to get a sound that adequately resembles the familiar feel of the genre, but they don't really know much about how to compose melodies (other than the familiar two bar swell sounding thingys) or program decent drum beats.

Thus, I figured d+b all sounds the same because there's probably a bunch of jackasses all using the same loops/drumkits/samples/patches that come bundled with REASON.

2.KVR should have a dance competition for its users.

Are you 15 years into the past?

[tuz]

1. My guess was that d+b sounds formulaic because it's made moreso by DJ types than by "Musicians." I.E. alot of the people making it have a good sense of how to layer and conjoin prepackaged loops to get a sound that adequately resembles the familiar feel of the genre, but they don't really know much about how to compose melodies (other than the familiar two bar swell sounding thingys) or program decent drum beats.

Thus, I figured d+b all sounds the same because there's probably a bunch of jackasses all using the same loops/drumkits/samples/patches that come bundled with REASON.

2.KVR should have a dance competition for its users.

your guess is wrong and full of shit. wanted you to hear it from me first.

[3*s]

so someone could make a troll post about why musicians make dnb after betting someone their wallet that it would reach 10 pages.

[videzyrah]

Wow, hostility.
My knowledge of both DnB and Reason are both limited in depth. I use FLstudio and my focus is downtempo/hiphopish stuff.
It was just a theory, yet I still would reckon that (if) alot of DnB sounds the same (it is) for reasons similar to the ones I gave before rather than -too many damn kids getting their paws on "Fruity Loops."
Bare in mind though I got a disc full of free loops in the mail from Sony this week and was kind of concerned how easily pretty much anyone could paste a few (time-stretched) loops together in Acid Xpress and then possibly turn around and instantly say they "make beats" or that they are an "electronic musician" or "producer." Hence, my pessimism.

[The Chase]

Wow, hostility.
My knowledge of both DnB and Reason are both limited in depth. I use FLstudio and my focus is downtempo/hiphopish stuff.
It was just a theory, yet I still would reckon that (if) alot of DnB sounds the same (it is) for reasons similar to the ones I gave before rather than -too many damn kids getting their paws on "Fruity Loops."
Bare in mind though I got a disc full of free loops in the mail from Sony this week and was kind of concerned how easily pretty much anyone could paste a few (time-stretched) loops together in Acid Xpress and then possibly turn around and instantly say they "make beats" or that they are an "electronic musician" or "producer." Hence, my pessimism.

How did you round this down to DnB?

[tuz]

Wow, hostility.
My knowledge of both DnB and Reason are both limited in depth. I use FLstudio and my focus is downtempo/hiphopish stuff.
It was just a theory, yet I still would reckon that (if) alot of DnB sounds the same (it is) for reasons similar to the ones I gave before rather than -too many damn kids getting their paws on "Fruity Loops."
Bare in mind though I got a disc full of free loops in the mail from Sony this week and was kind of concerned how easily pretty much anyone could paste a few (time-stretched) loops together in Acid Xpress and then possibly turn around and instantly say they "make beats" or that they are an "electronic musician" or "producer." Hence, my pessimism.

sorry. i just thought your guess was a little off. as for the hostility: it was my dark mental state talking. i just don't like generalizations/assumptions like that and gave you an undeserved dissing.

[j_p]

2.KVR should have a dance competition for its users.

We could get Brucie in.



It was my idea so I get to go with Natasha Kaplinsky.

[DWb]

Thus, I figured d+b all sounds the same because there's probably a bunch of jackasses all using the same loops/drumkits/samples/patches that come bundled with REASON.

From what I've seen of dnb producers, it's pretty much the opposite - a lot of pretty good but not very inventive drum and bass seems to be produced by very skilled producers with a lot of technical expertise trying to sound pretty similar to everyone else.

Possibly (my current guess) because the production quality of the 'generic' drum and bass sound has been raised to a high enough level that if you try something noticeably different, then because it hasn't been refined by a whole lot of producers over about ten years, it won't sound as 'good' as the less inventive tune that gets played afterwards.

[Ildon]

I don't think DnB sounds the same. I just think it's a genre of music that's easy to understand. Like with many types of electronic music (especially rave, techno, etc. where DnB evolved from), DnB has an audible structure, similar to most forms of minimalism. The drums in DnB come from hip hop (I think) beats that were sped up to about 170-180bpm by DJs, and because the drums were the main focus of the tracks (because people needed them to dance to), they just stuck. I'd have to say that hearing a DnB track written in a time signature other than 4/4 would be interesting to hear. You should try that sometime and post it on KVR, Chase.

I love DnB and listen to a good deal of it on a regular basis, and I can tell you, for a musical style with such an audible structure, it's been surprisingly varied, melodic and skillfully written/put together by many DJs and musicians alike.

[nool]

more action, less talk !@#$!

[MadPsyance]

Well, you all will laugh at my perspective, but here it goes:
I am one of those weird people who are always extremely late bloomers to certain genres. I only discovered psytrance 2 years ago and listen to a lot that is almost 10 years old....hell, I didn't even start listening to electonic music until around '97 with this bigbeat explosion in the mainstream. After that I started listening to industrial music that was nearly 15 years old (at the time), then trance....
To be completely honest, dnb is almost completley new to me! I've been ignoring it all these years saying, "what's this super-fast cracked out bullshit!" Before a year ago the only dnb I've really listened to was Prodigy's first album from '92 and that's more old-school jungle.
My point is this...many of you have paid attention and watched this genre evolve. I haven't. It's all totally fresh sounding to me and I think Pendulum is the shit!!!!

[videzyrah]

How did you round this down to DnB?

Well, this thread was originally about DnB, and as I read it I recalled a particular evening when I was listening to the electronic radio show we have here and came to the realization that all the tracks I was hearing in this one DJ's set seemed to follow a very similar formula. Maybe the DJ's on that show tend to play stuff all in the same vein and that's why it tends to sound the same to me, I don't know. I could probably say the same about the Breaks stuff I hear there and possibly the house and trance as well, I just didn't mention it because they weren't the topic of discussion.

Meanwhile I've been contemplating this whole production skills vs. composition skills as of late..... I realize my tracks probably tend to sound 'thin' in comparison to artists' work who are more well recieved (by myself and/or in remix contests,lol.) So, basically I have to tell myself that they're just using stuff that naturally sounds fuller and more professional right out of the box and that once I get a little better at tweaking knobs & sliders & whatever it takes to make the speakers breath alittle more, I will be THE GREATEST EVER

I'm guessing DWb is the most rightest.

@Ildon
I don't really know but i figure a Dnb track in an odd time would end up being labeled IDM.