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Jonathan1977 · Post by **Jonathan1977** » Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:11 pm

Thanks all of my friends. Your discussion is really amazing. It's very helpful for me . Now I have an idea....

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:59 am

Vervil wrote:
zeoy wrote:Since there are lots of guitarists round this thread, care to share your thoughts about this sound clip

http://www.show.gr/zeoy/final_gtr_solo_bar104_135.mp3

it's a small guitar solo I recorded for a friend's track. It's only guitar but not totally dry. There is some delay+reverb but the actual sound is there. What do you think?
Well, I didn't personaly like it, it is kind of "hollow" sounding to me. May be a matter of taste, but something is happening in the mids that I don't like. Lead sounds are not that critical on sims, at least not that much as rhythm guitar sounds.
I noticed that no one gave you any comments on your clip, so...

championrabbit wrote:
zeoy wrote:Since there are lots of guitarists round this thread, care to share your thoughts about this sound clip

http://www.show.gr/zeoy/final_gtr_solo_bar104_135.mp3

it's a small guitar solo I recorded for a friend's track. It's only guitar but not totally dry. There is some delay+reverb but the actual sound is there. What do you think?
I don't like it, but that's a taste issue rather than an objective statement relating to whether it's good or not.

I do find it odd that people complain about the lack of decent amp-sims in terms of delivering that kind of tone though; I would have thought that most amp-sims could deliver a sound like your clip...

Maybe it's simply that I don't 'get' that style of music though. Maybe it's like your dad saying that all rap sound the same!

Thanx for listening Vervil and championrabbit. Sorry for the delayed response but I was out of town so I just saw your replies.
First of all let me clarify that this is not an amp sim. It's a tube amp recorded with a Shure beta57a and a M-audio solaris (large diaphragm condenser). Didn't want to mislead you. In fact I stated that this was a real amp recording but it was in the big thread here http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 93#1714793
It seems like I simulated amp sims rather well

I was asking for comments cause it was the first time I used a condenser mic for micing my amp and I tried some odd techniques (including lots of big pillows) to deal with the PC noise and bad room acoustics issues.
Now about the tone itself you're both right. It's a matter of taste and that sound was not my taste either. It has those scooped mids but it was right, at least to my ears, for the specific (popish) song it was recorded for.
Thanx again guys.

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:33 am

Now that I read all this thread ...

@guitarzan: thanx for the eXT pics. I was doing similar stuff with JCM900 and Revolverb for cab impulses but not so complex. Had some good results in any case. Could you share some small clips (no FX , no backing tracks) of Fenderish on-the-edge sounds (I could host them if you want to)

@Sascha: owning an Audiobuddy, I can highly recommend it. I've used it with various pic-ups (from vintage single coils to high gain EMGs) and it just works. The only problem I had (and I'm not sure it's audiobuddys problem) is some cliping when I feed him with very hot signal from my beta57 (v. close to the cab and amp to 8 ). Maybe it's a mic problem. Never had such a thing with guitars or basses.
Its sound is clear, noiseless and neutral. Highly recommended.

guitarzan · Post by **guitarzan** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 10:49 am

zeoy wrote:Could you share some small clips (no FX , no backing tracks) of Fenderish on-the-edge sounds (I could host them if you want to).

I'll try to get something together soon, I'm waiting on a 6 pin to 6 pin firewire cable that should be here in a few days.

OT: 4-pin firewire connectors suck! First the connector went out on my laptop, so I got a pcmcia firewire card that had 6-pin connectors. Now, a few weeks later the 4-pin connector on my Edirol FA-66 is bad. Lesson: use ONLY 6-pin firewire connections!

strangeJuice · Post by **strangeJuice** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:20 am

Wow some really dumb things were said early in this thread

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:08 pm

strangeJuice wrote:Wow some really dumb things were said early in this thread

Like what?

mrbungle · Post by **mrbungle** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:17 pm

A question about Waves GTR: what host do you need to run it? As I know it doesn't work in Sonar and it works in Cubase. Does it work in Ableton Live 5 or Samplitude 8?

Jonny Quest · Post by **Jonny Quest** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:04 pm

mrbungle wrote:A question about Waves GTR: what host do you need to run it? As I know it doesn't work in Sonar and it works in Cubase. Does it work in Ableton Live 5 or Samplitude 8?

I run it Logic Pro on a Mac.

According to the site, as a VST it will run in Steinberg Cubase SX3.02 and Nuendo 3.02.

http://www.waves.com/content.asp?id=1689

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:59 pm

Quite weird that it wouldn't run in some other hosts. I'd never use Cubase or Logic for live stuff as they're not good for tap tempo stuff, let alone modular routings.

mrbungle · Post by **mrbungle** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:44 pm

Jonny Quest, I know it runs in Cubase/Nuendo/Logic since I've read on the site.. I'm a little bit angry, because Waves support could also just copy/paste the same what's on their site, but my question was the same to them: "Does it work in Ableton Live 5 or Samplitude 8"? Or if not even a host, but eg. SoundForge v8.0? Sorry, but I hate Cubase and I have a PC, so Logic 7 is not a question.

juha_p · Post by **juha_p** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:47 pm

http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM06 ... R-2.0.html

Last but not least, GTR 2.0 is now compatible with MAC - MOTU MAS host Digital Performer, and Windows Direct X including Cakewalk - Sonar, Sony Media Software - Sound Forge, Vegas, Acid, CD Architect, Magix - Samplitude and Adobe Audition. Waves GTR 2.0 is also compatible with Pro Tools 7 on both Mac® and PC.

Juha

sonicfire · Post by **sonicfire** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:19 pm

by the way: its called ampliTUBE not, TUDE

cptgone · Post by **cptgone** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:29 pm

guitarzan: thanks for sharing your setup! I'm a Blackpanel fan myself eversince I got a FlexTone II amp

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:35 pm

guitarzan wrote:I almost feel like I built the plugin based amp myself. Starts with a noisgate, then GreaseTube is like a tube OD, it runs into two parallel instances of the SimuAnalog JCM900, one set to chanel a "clean", voiced as close as possible to a Fender with a good amount of breakup (drive about 7.5) , the other instance is more typically Brit sounding, B chanel "drive" set to about 6 where it begins to get gritty with the Danelectro. Then each goes thru it's own tube compressor set to hit just the peaks (ratio is pretty light). Then both JCM900 signals join in the Boogex, which is tweeked for further Fender tone and light breakup (reminds me of poweramp stage)and loaded with a Fender Blackface POD - NO CABINET impulse. Then thru another compressor plug, set to hit just the already compressed peaks again lightly (looking for waveform distortion without clipping here). then through FX. There are no presets used, and nothing is generic (like switching on a bog stock amp, for instance).
EDIT:

Looks like we are doing very similar things, though I'm leaning more toward Simulanalog's Fender emulation than the Marshall these days (only because I'm aiming for that sound). In my current set up, I'm using instances of Chainer within eXT as a way to cut down on the clutter. I suppose one could load instances of eXT within itself, but the main advantages of using Chainer is that it gives you a way to easily bypass a single effect in the chain without bothering with the virtual cables of eXT and Chainer offers a nicer presentation of sliders for virtual devices such as the Simulanalog stuff that don't have their own GUI (and it kind of looks like a 'rack' with drag and drop for quickly changing the order of effects).

Additionally, with Chainer in the mix, you can have 5 or 6 giant rigs all in one master eXT preset and just delete the ones you aren't using when it comes time to make a decision about what gets saved with the song (I'm using FLStudio, so I simply load a mixer preset which in turn loads my master guitar eXT set up). It's like having a giant template that offers me all 5 of my "amps" and I can try out some things before paring it down. At some point, I'll probably make one simple master eXT set up with only one Chainer and then load the guts of a rig via Chainer. Maybe.

I also use the routing of FLS to monitor a wet sound while actually recording a totally dry sound into another mixer strip. I'm sure most everyone is doing something along these lines, too, but FLS sure makes it easy on me. For me, it is far more important to be able to upgrade my sound as new virtual gear comes into my rig. For a while I was using other compressors, but now that I have Voxengo Marquis, I'm able to backtrack and improve some things without re-recording my playing (which I've already forgotten by the time this happens to me).

Oh, and I have an instance of BBE Sonic Maximiser at the head of the chain. Seems to tighten up the sound somehow. Not sure what's going on really though, but for a guitar signal its like a good voodoo.

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:29 pm

@guitarzan

I just noticed you have your reverb before the chorus. I wonder if that introduces some unnatural weirdness to the final sound or if it thickens it in a pleasant way. I've been putting verb last and actually post final compression/limiting.

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