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bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:11 pm

matto wrote: Do you have 7CG, TBO, Ivory or AKP to compare it to?

no, but I do own a Steinway

matto · Post by **matto** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:46 pm

bluedad wrote:
matto wrote: Do you have 7CG, TBO, Ivory or AKP to compare it to?
no, but I do own a Steinway

Interesting...(and good for you!

)

Have you made any A/B comparison recordings you could share?

djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:56 pm

bluedad wrote:
matto wrote: Do you have 7CG, TBO, Ivory or AKP to compare it to?
no, but I do own a Steinway

i tried to get in on the beta so i know they only wanted "pro" piano players with weighted midi controllers (& that could prove it)

anybody on this beta ether knows there shit or can blag real well

& all the beta feed back has been A1

Subz

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:21 am

matto wrote:
Have you made any A/B comparison recordings you could share?

no, afraid I don't. As I mentioned earlier, I'm not active in the testing
any longer; I don't want to drag my keyboard controller home every week so I've not bothered
downloading the new beta's and the old ones I have are expired.
It will be an ear opening experience once everyone gets a chance to demo it..hopefully that will be soon.
Still, let them take their time and do it right.

learjeff · Post by **learjeff** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:43 am

Subz, I don't blame them for limiting it to weighted keyboards. While I do know one very good jazz pianist who can play an unweighted keyboard and nobody can tell, he's a rare bird. Weighted keyboards has to be the marketing and development focus for a piano.

benjamind · Post by **benjamind** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 6:47 am

I wouldn't say that it couldn't beat multi-gig sample libraries. Samples are good, but an instrument that has the expressiveness of this new upcoming instrument and uses little disk space is phenomenal and will be well worth their asking price. I'll certainly put it on my to-buy list, that's for sure. If it uses a combo of sampling and modelling then it's worth it. I've never been fond of sample libraries that take up huge amounts of disk space, so any instruments that can do either the same (or more) with less disk space (and RAM of course) are a much better choice in the long term.

reflekshun · Post by **reflekshun** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:04 pm

Its been a while since I last posted on this thread, but alot of you wanted a taste of the piano without such a wash of reverb. So here is another improvisation, played with what I feel is a more 'immersive' Piano Bank (which is still in beta phase) and minimal reverb.

Hope it gives you a better idea of the instrument itself.

Peter Mullins - Unfree

filkertom · Post by **filkertom** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:30 pm

reflekshun wrote:Its been a while since I last posted on this thread, but alot of you wanted a taste of the piano without such a wash of reverb. So here is another improvisation, played with what I feel is a more 'immersive' Piano Bank (which is still in beta phase) and minimal reverb.

Hope it gives you a better idea of the instrument itself.

Peter Mullins - Unfree

Nice. Have you got anything close to a timeline for release?

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 2:42 pm

reflekshun wrote:Its been a while since I last posted on this thread, but alot of you wanted a taste of the piano without such a wash of reverb. So here is another improvisation, played with what I feel is a more 'immersive' Piano Bank (which is still in beta phase) and minimal reverb.

Hope it gives you a better idea of the instrument itself.

Peter Mullins - Unfree

This is the best demo so far in this thread - much better.

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

alex zonder · Post by **alex zonder** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:14 pm

reflekshun wrote: Hope it gives you a better idea of the instrument itself.

It certainly does! This isn't the sound of an acoustic piano AT ALL.

Even the limited free trial version of Acustix Bösendorfer Piano ( http://acustix.vanbarel.com/use.html#A - for HALION ) is a real wonder of natural sound in comparison. Just listen that one & compare:
http://acustix.vanbarel.com/audio/Rachm ... No%206.mp3
http://acustix.vanbarel.com/audio/Rachm ... No%208.mp3

And man, even my old Roland U20's piano is still sounding a lot better! What is the MATTER with all these people pretending we have quality here? I really don't get it at all, and I MEAN that

Acustix also has a free trial version of their Steinway. I prefer the Bösendorfer, but listen to that Steinway as well & compare again:
http://acustix.vanbarel.com/audio/Beeth ... Sonata.mp3

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:23 pm

alex zonder wrote:
reflekshun wrote: Hope it gives you a better idea of the instrument itself.
It certainly does! This isn't the sound of an acoustic piano AT ALL.

Even the limited free trial version of Acustix Bösendorfer Piano ( http://acustix.vanbarel.com/use.html#A - for HALION ) is a real wonder of natural sound in comparison. Just listen that one & compare:
http://acustix.vanbarel.com/audio/Rachm ... No%206.mp3
http://acustix.vanbarel.com/audio/Rachm ... No%208.mp3

And man, even my old Roland U20's piano is still sounding a lot better! What is the MATTER with all these people pretending we have quality here? I really don't get it at all, and I MEAN that

Acustix also has a free trial version of their Steinway. I prefer the Bösendorfer, but listen to that Steinway as well & compare again:
http://acustix.vanbarel.com/audio/Beeth ... Sonata.mp3

Because its BAD to say BAD things that contradicts the GOOD things in music vsti's - goodness don't you know

It's a Better Demo of the thing right? Compared to all the other demos in this thread.

The Piano Playing is good right?

It is a 'Beta' (in a volatile state, not ready)- so allowances have to be made (personally I would not allow the beta team to post anything till its ready or at least run past the developer first - It would be a very good idea imo)

PS
I am not on the beta team - so can't give any other opinions (not that you should if on a beta team till its released anyway) - I gave up piano years ago, when the compulsion to kill the tutor became too great

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

learjeff · Post by **learjeff** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:41 pm

alex zonder wrote:
reflekshun wrote: Hope it gives you a better idea of the instrument itself.
It certainly does! This isn't the sound of an acoustic piano AT ALL.

Well, I think you'd fool a lot of people with it. No, not folks with a highly developed sensitivity to the differences between real and synthesized, or to classically trained pianists and conductors.

IMHO, this piano sounds far better than any free sampled piano I've tried (not including the acustix demos, which I will try when I get the chance). I prefer it to Yamaha P80 and Roland RD-700. (I omit the latest models simply because I don't have enough experience with them to comment.) I'd be surprised to find that the RD-700 piano is inferior to the U20, but it's possible.

alex zonder · Post by **alex zonder** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:42 pm

Spe3D wrote: I gave up piano years ago, when the compulsion to kill the tutor became too great

You should simply have walked out and start to make (musical) love to the instrument at home...

What you hear in any good piano sound is the MATERIAL the instrument is actually made of. You HAVE to hear the wood and the ivory, you HAVE to hear (even if you wouldn't know the instrument) that strings are being hammered on in a delicate, precise fashion... The sound of this new VSTi couldn't make anyone believe in the actual existence and presence of the beautiful instrument whatsoever.

Spe3D · Post by **Spe3D** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:51 pm

alex zonder wrote: You should simply have walked out and start to make (musical) love to the instrument at home...

I was young and stupid

Though in all seriousness, I do know what you mean

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

learjeff · Post by **learjeff** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 3:58 pm

OK, I guess we have to maim elephants to get a decent piano sound!

New Quality Piano VSTi