Reaper is not an ugly duckling anymore !

[bullshark]

The rest of my complaints can follow later.

Careful, if you do this I just might try and find my old list from my Tracktion days and post it up

[koolkeys]

Yeah, the skins DO look good. But that doesn't address(and no skin will) the workflow parts of the UI.

And yes, if racks were implemented, I would be a happy man, and take a serious look. They are so easy to understand and use. Yet so amazingly powerful. Very modular, as well. Reaper needs more modularity.

But yeah, I just can't stand the external window for FX routing.

And too many windows, tabbed or not.

Brent

[bullshark]

Too many windows, yet you want to add another one (the rack); make up your mind will ya

[Pipelineaudio]

Can someone please explain why Reaper should even be mentioned in the same sentence as Sonar? Is it a workflow thing? I mean to go from a pretty damn good $500 DAW to REAPER....and that GUI...

REAPER's routing has a lot to offer the old school patchbay, screwdriver, and soldering iron types that SONAR, Cubase, Logic and others have ignored for more than a decade. For some reason, real world tape/console/patchbay philosophy seems to have caught on with traditional, mainstream DAW users as well and so we have a pretty diverse cast of characters at reaper now

[koolkeys]

Nah, I'm talking more like Tracktion. But seeing how it may not work with the current Reaper setup, all I would really want is like what Sonar uses. Well, I would PREFER Tracktion's way of having everything right there, like the filter section. But the FX block in the track area would suffice since Reaper isn't built to work like Tracktion.

Brent

EDIT: this was in response to bullshark

[shamann]

I'm happy with colour theming and the ability to change track colours etc but not massive over reliance of 3D bitmap elements that need updating when a new feature is added.

Yep. We saw the wisdom of that with eXT v1, and the pseudo-cult of skinners and skin-changers that perpetually revised/updated in a constant swirl. Now THAT was bandwidth assault, and I loved many of the skins as much as anyone else, but I cringed every time Jorgen posted an update..

I hear that. I used to use one of Asseca's skins, but at a certain point, I think it stopped working fully. The last v1.4 official skin was excellent, anyway, so it eliminated any need for me to use another skin. The look of v2 is alright, but I hope they build in some more definition (at least some icons in the main window).

I've been using the Akoustic Matrix colour theme with Reaper and quite like it. Dark and neutral, so it doesn't hurt to look at for long periods of time.

[koolkeys]

The rest of my complaints can follow later.

Careful, if you do this I just might try and find my old list from my Tracktion days and post it up

Hey, I have my own small list as well, so I might even agree on some of them! Tracktion ain't perfect either!

Brent

[bullshark]

Nah, I'm talking more like Tracktion. But seeing how it may not work with the current Reaper setup, all I would really want is like what Sonar uses. Well, I would PREFER Tracktion's way of having everything right there, like the filter section. But the FX block in the track area would suffice since Reaper isn't built to work like Tracktion.

Brent

EDIT: this was in response to bullshark

I don't remember how Sonar does it, but yeah the FX window and lack of FX direct access and overview in the mixer(don't want it on the TCP, I do other stuff when in TCP mode...) is starting to be a pain for me too. I really thought this would have been addressed a long time ago, I guess the Cockos team is still assessing how best to implement that. Lot's of option available: Do you make all plugin accessible from the mixer? Or do you restrain the number? Maybe make it dynamics, with new slots opening up as FX are added? Or have a definite number of slots and make it scrollable? Or maybe assignable instead?

[kL]

Ok fair enough Be sure to drop a mention in the forums about the release of the George Clinton doco, i'd be right into seeing that, as i'm sure a lot of people here will be. I didn't know that Reaper had video support.

Not real support; it shows the picture... I actually started that thing in Sonar; it was one of the tipping points. It was a mess: 37 inputs of a 2 hour live show. I'll let you know when it's finished/released.

I don't see what Repear can do for me that what I already have can't. It looks aweful. And if i bought it i'd probably have to spend too much time here talking about how f**king great it is.

okay, back to work.

Yep, same.

I would never recommend trading in a tool that works for you.

I went to Vegas because of Pro Tool's stupid real-time-only render, inability to have more than one type of audio (sampling rate, bit depth) in a project, having to call up a dialog box to "apply" a crossfade and a bunch of other stuff (some of which has been addressed in the intervening years). I left Vegas when sonic/sony went gung ho video and refused to put midi and rewire into the program, choosing instead to put them in Acid... but not have a solution to link the two. Then there was the incredibly unresponsive support (a fatal flaw: the new Acid crashed with the Lynx asio driver. Sony found a solution and told me to wait for it until the next update... when? "we don't say when...") I went to Sonar on a crossgrade. Hated it. Three years trying to get them to support mousewheel zoom. I had to use it for an OMF project just now and couldn't wait to burn the stems to mix in Reaper.
So, as an old Vegas user, Reaper was a breath of fresh air. The interface was, as the Colombians say, "as comfortable as an old pair of shoes." I can relate to those who find it confusing, though: Podium and Samplitude have the exact same affect on me.
And I could care less about skins. If I wanted visual beauty I'd stare at a Vermeer. I want it to work without getting in the way. (Okay, maybe if it was Really Ugly... and I certainly appreciate the stellar graphic contributions being made Right Now)
Oh, and in between I used Traktion for a minute. And I really liked it, interface-wise, but it couldn't handle large projects without dropouts (unrelated to drive or machine capabilities) and the PDC was sketchy.

I do find myself prosytelizing for Reaper, though I know it's as fruitless as being a missionary in Tahiti (You want us to stop doing What? And wear shoes?) But it's a fine piece of work, and Justin kills bugs faster than Orkin and really takes feature requests seriously.

[Dandruff]

Oh, and in between I used Traktion for a minute. And I really liked it, interface-wise, but it couldn't handle large projects without dropouts (unrelated to drive or machine capabilities) and the PDC was sketchy.

Reaper's PDC is still sketchy too!

See
http://www.cockos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8162 and
http://www.cockos.com/forum/showpost.ph ... stcount=29

[kL]

Not even in the same league of sketchiness. It's like comparing Brooklyn to Bogota.
In fact, I don't think any host has better PDC than Reaper.
(Granted, PDC, like anything that fools with the laws of nature, is tricky.)

[Dandruff]

In fact, I don't think any host has better PDC than Reaper.

Cubase and Nuendo have. At least for my needs.

[hseiken]

IMHO it actually still is, but this kind of stuff is rather subjective, isn't it? ^^

I have just noticed on this board that the first people to respond to ANYTHING are negative.

I.E.

"Dude, check out how cool this is!"

First reply: "That sucks."

Repeatedly I see this. Pretty much if there's a 'holy crap this is cool as hell and I wanted to share it with people' type post, it's more than half a negative turnout of replies. Is the music community just full of grumpy old farts pissed off cause they didn't make the bigtime or am I missing something from the 'how to be a musician/producer' handbook? (actually, I don't even HAVE that handbook...)

Just wondering.

[NER]

IMHO it actually still is, but this kind of stuff is rather subjective, isn't it? ^^

I have just noticed on this board that the first people to respond to ANYTHING are negative.

I.E.

"Dude, check out how cool this is!"

First reply: "That sucks."

Repeatedly I see this. Pretty much if there's a 'holy crap this is cool as hell and I wanted to share it with people' type post, it's more than half a negative turnout of replies. Is the music community just full of grumpy old farts pissed off cause they didn't make the bigtime or am I missing something from the 'how to be a musician/producer' handbook? (actually, I don't even HAVE that handbook...)

Just wondering.

People are generally really defensive of their software choice - if something positive happens to a different app, we see it as a threat. Its human nature methinks.

people are the same way about their cars.

[lockheart]

And if i bought it i'd probably have to spend too much time here talking about how f**king great it is.