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Cordelia · Post by **Cordelia** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:18 am

Sascha Franck wrote:
jc21161 wrote:the less I follow the theological suggested paths back to the home chord
Err, yes.

- S.

He is jc afterall.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:24 am

Cordelia wrote: He is jc afterall.

Oh holy mother! How comes I missed that all throughout this thread?

jc21161 · Post by **jc21161** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:10 pm

BertKoor wrote: I can think of a bazillion chord progressions in C that sound very nice but don't fit in any of those "fail-safe" categories.

But what do I know, I seem to be overlooking something Shrug

Thank you BertKoor, I think you may be the only one here on my side.
Maybe a good explanation of the "failsafe" chord list would be to use the blues scale for an example. To use the listed blues chords you will get the maximum bluesy sound while maintaining tonality. The more you start adding or replacing chords, the more you may start losing it. A blues master may have his own chords he uses (mostly different,) or maybe a particular chord progression could use a different chord from out of the list, he may think they're too fancy or not fancy enough? Not to mention the technique of using chords from different keys, jumping to the parallel major and back, maybe a technique of using nearly all-minor chords etc. I'm sure you and others may have more ideas as well. Obviously the designers of the chord generator felt these were good generic chords.

I might add if you're writing original music and you don't want to think about music theory, I would recommend using just these chords and these for transposing. There's many ways of making music but you just need one, at least for the first CD. LOL

Thanks, OP

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:08 pm

Sascha Franck wrote:So, what are you doing with your "failsafe" chords?

Copy and paste them into a document and save onto computer or print ofcourse

jc21161 wrote:I think you may be the only one here on my side.

Oh really? So you actually don't support your "fail-safe" list of chords as well?

jc21161 wrote:A blues master may have his own chords he uses (mostly different,) or maybe a particular chord progression could use a different chord from out of the list, he may think they're too fancy or not fancy enough?

B.B. King might not agree on this... I very much doubt picking the chords is a concious process once you have that much experience. There are some basics and you add some personal flavour to it.

Too much talk, just do it I'd say.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:53 pm

BertKoor wrote:
Sascha Franck wrote:So, what are you doing with your "failsafe" chords?
Copy and paste them into a document and save onto computer or print ofcourse

Oh! Now I see!
Thanks a lot for that tip!

- Sascha

The Fex · Post by **The Fex** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:02 pm

I'm scared to use any of those chords now. I think I can get by without Ebsus2, but I'm not so sure about C....

jc21161 · Post by **jc21161** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:26 pm

THE FEX Sascha Franck, the three music theory books I have and at least a couple online sources explain the modes the same way using not only the major scale but also the C major scale.
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The churches of Western Europe reversed the order of designation:
1. C - Ionian
2. D - Dorian
3. E - Phrygian
4. F - Lydian
5. G - Mixolydian
6. A - Aeolian
7. B - Locrian
This is the order and naming that we use today. You must commit this order and naming to memory, as you will use this knowledge frequently.
From: http://www.zentao.com/guitar/modes/modes-2.html
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This is the Cmajor scale (C, D, E, F, G, A, B,), do you recognize it above? Anybody that knows anything at all about music theory would not even need to reference back to a theory book to explain it as simple as I have, but yet you two did not understand it even win handed to you in a friendly basket. I referred to this website so I could copy and paste without having to type it all out for you two. Considering you have been heckling this thread, if I were you two, I would be embarrassed to type a single letter on this thread again.
What you two need to do, is to soak in all that you can from this thread, for it is cutting to the chase of GOOD music composing, and stop the act of knowing more than everybody else. Just a humble suggestion.

Hello BertKoor, seriously I know I did not have to explain those chords to you so thoroughly, I could not stop when I was on a roll.

buscemi · Post by **buscemi** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:45 pm

jc21161 wrote:Anybody that knows anything at all about music theory would not even need to reference back to a theory book to explain it as simple as I have, but yet you two did not understand it even win handed to you in a friendly basket. I referred to this website so I could copy and paste without having to type it all out for you two. Considering you have been heckling this thread, if I were you two, I would be embarrassed to type a single letter on this thread again.
What you two need to do, is to soak in all that you can from this thread, for it is cutting to the chase of GOOD music composing, and stop the act of knowing more than everybody else. Just a humble suggestion.

Starting from your last two sentences, I'd advise that you no longer need to accuse the kettle of being black, Mr Pot.

This thread title has too many words, seems more like "Basic theory overlooked" to me. Stop trying to wag your little dick around about all you supposedly know and insult folks that have probably forgotten more theory than you have picked up in your alleged 30 years experience.

Oh, or just realize that those two you are trying to belittle have been constantly and successfully taking the piss at your expense throughout this silly thread.

jc21161 · Post by **jc21161** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:12 pm

Anybody that knows anything at all about music theory would not even need to reference back to a theory book to explain it as simple as I have, but yet you two did not understand it even win handed to you in a friendly basket.
Considering you have been heckling this thread....

THE FEX has not attempted to be informative on this thread, as of yet, other than to convince people I did not understand MIDI. Anybody who can read one sentence of its definition understands MIDI. Don't feel bad though Author, I can see how if someone doesn't know much about music and music theory such as yourself, these guys can seem pretty intelligent.

This thread is addressing issues that all others stop short of, for whatever reason, I think it's because they're ignorant of the demands of the real world.

You're going to have to watch your language on my thread because, I will report your abuse next time.

buscemi · Post by **buscemi** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:24 pm

oooooooo *shakes in boots*

Who is this "Author" you attempt to belittle, little man? Me? Well, if so don't go making assumptions - I do surely know theory quite well. I don't look down on those who weren't but I'm more than well-educated in music. Sorry that a few of us are having a laugh over you in this thread but you'll get over it.

Oh and since you are being a drama queen and want to run and tell mommy on someone, here you go - f**k you, you presumptuous and insulting little twatstain.

Cordelia · Post by **Cordelia** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:27 pm

The OP has got to be kidding.

Please tell me he's kidding.

arturito · Post by **arturito** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:34 pm

moran

jc21161 · Post by **jc21161** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:46 pm

Let's stay on-topic people.
I appreciate these guys very much if they have been informative in the past, but that's not helping things out now.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:20 pm

jc21161 wrote:using not only the major scale but also the C major scale.

Wow, not only the major scale but EVEN the C major scale?
Now, THAT is quite something.

You're going to have to watch your language on my thread because, I will report your abuse next time.

You're most welcome doing so, sir.

Cordelia wrote: Please tell me he's kidding.

I'm afraid he's serious.

- Sascha (out practising C major, which he never thought to be of any use before)

The Fex · Post by **The Fex** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:16 pm

jc21161 wrote:Anybody that knows anything at all about music theory would not even need to reference back to a theory book to explain it as simple as I have, but yet you two did not understand it even win handed to you in a friendly basket.

It was handed to me in a friendly basket twenty years ago, by a fine teacher who knew something of his subject, as opposed to an arrogant, clueless fool such as yourself. I understand modes perfectly well, thank you.

Your music is terrible (I'm not just trying to be mean here, it really is), and given your attitude, and your determination to cling to your own ridiculous ideas, there is little prospect of it ever improving. I think you should take up a new hobby now. Preferably something very dangerous.

Please report me. I'll look forward to see the outcome. I doubt that anybody's daft enough to be trying to learn from your ramblings, but just in case, I think it's about time you were stopped before you do any real damage.

Basic theory problem that it seems to be overlook