Impressed with Cubase- am I crazy? What impresses you?

[koolkeys]

It had to happen eventually...

* Cubase has a hefty pricetag, not warranted by its features.
(It doesnt do more than Reaper for example, yet its price is *triple)

Wrong + Wrong.

It may not do stuff you personally need but to say it doesn't "do more" is pure nonsense. And the price is barely more than double. $225/$499. Basic math.

* Side chaining ONLY works with Steinberg effects.

Wrong.

* Track presets ONLY works on instrument tracks.

Wrong.

* Automation follows events ONLY on instrument tracks.

Wrong.

* Channel EQ is the last effect in the signal chain.

Wrong.

Look, Cubase has flaws but you probably should actually learn how to use the program before you go on the Internet telling people what it can't do and get the correct "can't do's". You missed by a country mile here.

This post gives me the chills . Remembers me of my examinations at college .

[LawrenceF]

Ok, sidechaining in C5 with a third party compressor. It need only have key inputs that are exposed to the daw. Here I will use ReaComp VST.

1. Assign the audio to be ducked to a quad group.
2. Insert a compressor (or whatever has key inputs) on the quad group.
3. Send the audio that will key the compressor to the quad group.

Note: Now here is where C5 or C4.1 with VST3 differs from SX3 and previous for this. In SX when you went to send that key signal to the quad group to hit the key input of the comp, the Ls-Rs pair of the quad group (second pair of the quad group) was *directly exposed* there by name. You could choose to send directly to it. Now, since VST3, you cannot. To hit it you pan into it. So..

4. Go to the send panner and pull the little surround panning dot all the way down dead center to hit - pan to - the Ls-Rs pair, where the key input is listening.

Done. It really is that simple.

Here is the graphic. http://dawsession.com/pics/sc5.jpg

I opened the send panner in the graphic just to show you but you don't have to open it to pan. You can pan directly form the channel strip.

Maybe people will stop repeating this nonsense now. I doubt it though.

P.S. Cubase 5 comes with *15* VST3 plugs that are sidechain capable. Comps, modulation, delays, etc.. so I rarely even do this with VST2 plugins. No need to.

Oh... and ReaComp is a nice comp. Especially for parallel compression. Very cool.

[Midi_Glider]

*Dongle software is a turn-off.

Very subjective. personally, I much prefer the dongle solution to C/R for example.

* Cubase doesnt come with a standard sampler.

True. but not ant an issue for most. especially considering you can use the excellent 'short circuit' sampler for free...

* No directX support.

True. thank God!

* No audio input for vsti or vst plugins.Routing is very basic.

True on the vsti thing but...
on all the rest...

* Side chaining ONLY works with Steinberg effects.

Its supported for all VST 3 plugins.

* Drag&Drop samples from Mediabay ONLY works on Steinberg plugins.

This can be implemented by any 3rd party sampler using vst-xml d&d (the Short circuit sampler mentioned earlier is an example). for everything else, you can use this fantastic little freeware utility:

http://vstxmltranslator.blogspot.com/20 ... lease.html

* Track presets ONLY works on instrument tracks.

* Channel EQ is the last effect in the signal chain.

Insert 7/8 on every channel are post eq.


Best,
midi.

[hibidy]

You may want to go back and edit out the double postings though......redundant posts are just too repetitive

[Midi_Glider]

indeed...

something went very

with the my copy & past apparently..

[hibidy]

Oh, it's cool.....we do things



sometimes

[Midi_Glider]

True...like smoking to much. that's just

[LawrenceF]

Re: Smoking...

3 weeks and counting... nicotine free. Eating everything in sight. I expect to be a really fat man in about a year so I'm gonna get laid as much as I can this summer before that happens.



Are you gonna eat that? ... huh...?

[LawrenceF]

Hey, here... you'll see some of the behavior that Oxy was talking about earlier. The loop browser won't "stay on top" so if you don't have your windows setup it will lose focus (and go behind other windows). It's still open it just got covered up.

Anyway, this is a good beat slicing / Groove Agent One video tutorial.

[synthesizer808]

It had to happen eventually...

* Cubase has a hefty pricetag, not warranted by its features.
(It doesnt do more than Reaper for example, yet its price is *triple)

Wrong + Wrong.

It may not do stuff you personally need but to say it doesn't "do more" is pure nonsense. And the price is barely more than double. $225/$499. Basic math.

* Side chaining ONLY works with Steinberg effects.

Wrong.

* Track presets ONLY works on instrument tracks.

Wrong.

* Automation follows events ONLY on instrument tracks.

Wrong.

* Channel EQ is the last effect in the signal chain.

Wrong.

Look, Cubase has flaws but you probably should actually learn how to use the program before you go on the Internet telling people what it can't do and get the correct "can't do's". You missed by a country mile here.

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ooooh, One sec lemme grab some popcorn, its fanboy-rumble!

* Reaper does the same: Ok, I understand it upsets you that a much cheaper app does what your pricy bloatware does, but such is the digital era.The only BIG thing I miss in reaper is 'elastique pitch' and warping, again - these are no crucial compositing tools, simply tweaks.

* Cubase is 600+ here, thus triple the cost.

* Sidechaining: Aright, the old method works fine, cumbersome but fine.The NEW cubase5 native sidechain feature is for vst3 and theres no plugins out yet afaik, thus only supported by steiny stuff.

* Automation follows events: Automating any plugins on a bus will not follow any events of an intrument routed to that bus.

* Track presets are irrelevant for audio tracks.Midi tracks will not take full usage of a preset e.g route every output of an instrument.

* channel eq is the last presence in the signal chain, according to the faqs on steiny

You see, we can both split words to suit our agenda

[hibidy]

I'm sorry, feel free to mute me or hate me or both.........but you are



As far as the fanboy thing is concerned, let me speak for myself......NOT! I hate steinborg with a passion, I want to punch CB out, then kick his ass all over again in a repeating loop



Your snarky attitude about how reaper does everything that cubase does in naive at best, and really pretty much just makes you sound foolish even to reaper users!

[synthesizer808]

well, humm my agenda is not to bonk down on steiny, though it may seem like that hehh, its more to bring attention at how some features seem to be eluding certain developers time and time again, even though we all pay for upgrades etc.

[LawrenceF]

You see, we can both split words to suit our agenda

Except I don't have an agenda. Nor do I care what daw you use, how much it costs or how you delude yourself.

Here... just so you'll stop publicly embarrassing yourself about stupid eq. I assume you can read a signal flowchart / mixer diagram.



Here is the Cubase manual. Take a few days to read it so you can be more prepared for your next trolling adventure.

ftp://ftp.steinberg.net/Download/Cubase ... nglish.zip

Peace.

[synthesizer808]

Your agenda was to miscredit me.

Oh and Inserts 1-6 are PRE EQ.

You can keep praising developers while you ride the upgrade-bandwagon for 5more versions OR you can speak up and bring attention to things that need attention, which I did.

[koolkeys]

Wow, nice try at ruining a perfectly good thread with misinformation and the biggest fanboy attitude of anyone.

Brent