Record: New DAW from Propellerheads

[headquest]

Sounds pretty ambiguous to me

Not as ambiguous as before though

If this product is simply a retro-looking virtual tape recorder/DAT machine, you have to wonder what could be new or innovative about that. Surely there must be another twist here?

I suppose that one twist could be that there is a new device added to Reason which could input Record like the Rebirth input machine, in which case you would basically have your audio input for Reason (as a paid for add-on). For people that have stuck to just using Reason and not already got an audio host I guess that might appeal, depending on the price.

Maybe though there is MUCh more that will be revealed soon

[Baz_Masterplan]

The emperors new suit was lovely. Did you see it? I think it looks great.

Looking forward to some actual details. An article about nothing except the name.

[blank/diod]

The emperors new suit was lovely. Did you see it? I think it looks great.

Looking forward to some actual details. An article about nothing except the name.

There was a little more than that in the article...

- Emphasizes on the actual act of recording / focuses on a single task
- Fluid approach to tempo and tempo changes
- Not intended to be a DAW that bundles different functionalities together

[spaceman]

Maybe it can 'host' Reason?

[vinayk]

Hmm... interesting - given that this is what was predicted earlier... it'll be nice to see how it works... maybe we can rewire audio from reason into live - back into Record and back through reason into live... and then back to hmm... now i'm confused =P

Could be fun nonetheless!

It's currently saturday here, the CDM article says to wait until Monday, does that mean I have to wait 3 days till my tuesday ??? hehehe
I was expecting pretty videos tomorrow morning when I woke up!

[christianmusicmaker]

Ok too early to tell but this looks like an attempt from Propellerheads to sell something that in reality is not as big a deal as it appears to be.

Just talking about my needs here and IMO based on my needs workflow e.t.c

Now I can fully understand the reactions from those on the video who saw this new "tool" the penny has dropped. Any Reason user would surely be very interested in a dedicated tool for Audio recording. It has probably been the no.1 requested feature for years. Like Cubase having a public beta and releasing a demo.

But beyond Reason users...seems like recording itself as a huge selling point is highly unlikely to turn heads at all unless you use Reason. It's easy to hype a product but the danger is that if a DAW or in this case an addon/Live tool of sorts cannot live up to the hype it can do more harm than if less noise and as a result expectation was generated for it in the first place.

I would love to see how different this is to the current options out there but if it is simply a dedicated Audio app that addresses Reasons shortcomings in this area (looks that way)then I think my expectations were way too high.

If it is genuinely different, maybe some sort of Hyrbid of Live's audio mangling (not sure what else you can do to audio other than present it differently in Live) along with standard audio recording then there is not much here IMO.

Having said all that...

It is good to see a dev house not afraid to produce a dedicated app/tool but I think the Props may be a little too late with this. If they came out with this even 3 - 5 years ago it would have made massive waves. But it just seems to be some heavy marketing behind what is essentially a different way to record audio and manipulate it.

I would dare say this looks like the Props attempt to fill a niche. People who did not want Midi in Live 4 and always wanted Ableton to build on Live 3 as a dedicated Audio app. Now that makes sense. I am just not sure how big that market is. I applaud the idea though. That does interest me but it's not a major deal. Current DAW's have incredibly powerful audio manipulation features already quantising audio e.t.c and even more creativity can be had with plugins like RMX 1.8.

Once more details are released then of course speculations can end (and maybe a slice of humble pie for me) but consider this an early review

[kae]

Im looking forward to get more details of the product, but I guess a Propellerheads based studio will be an expensive one.
Reason + Recycle is already ~$750 (from Propshop, ~$900 in a local shop here) and then add another $3-500 for Record and you are getting close what most hosts includes today for a lot less, like the Ableton Suite which got great recording options + all other kinds of great plugins, routings etc.
This is ofcourse before I know anything about Record, it may be something that totally blows me away and are well worth it. Time will show.

[headquest]

Maybe it can 'host' Reason?

Based on the CDM article I would say more likely the other way around. I got the impression that "Record" is not the software that will be about mixing, detailed editing, effects, etc. It will literally... record. A "one-trick-pony" as it were. But an Input Machine into Reason would enable the mixing, effects, etc to be done.

[headquest]

Ok too early to tell but this looks like an attempt from Propellerheads to sell something that in reality is not as big a deal as it appears to be.

Great post, and I think you sum it up for lots of people here. The big question is whether "Record" is simply a nice add-on for Reason, or whether they are really looking to break into a different market. So far it looks to me like the former case. Time will tell, and I'm looking forward to learning more on Monday

[spaceman]

Ok too early to tell but this looks like an attempt from Propellerheads to sell something that in reality is not as big a deal as it appears to be.

Just talking about my needs here and IMO based on my needs workflow e.t.c

Now I can fully understand the reactions from those on the video who saw this new "tool" the penny has dropped. Any Reason user would surely be very interested in a dedicated tool for Audio recording. It has probably been the no.1 requested feature for years. Like Cubase having a public beta and releasing a demo.

But beyond Reason users...seems like recording itself as a huge selling point is highly unlikely to turn heads at all unless you use Reason. It's easy to hype a product but the danger is that if a DAW or in this case an addon/Live tool of sorts cannot live up to the hype it can do more harm than if less noise and as a result expectation was generated for it in the first place.

I would love to see how different this is to the current options out there but if it is simply a dedicated Audio app that addresses Reasons shortcomings in this area (looks that way)then I think my expectations were way too high.

If it is genuinely different, maybe some sort of Hyrbid of Live's audio mangling (not sure what else you can do to audio other than present it differently in Live) along with standard audio recording then there is not much here IMO.

Having said all that...

It is good to see a dev house not afraid to produce a dedicated app/tool but I think the Props may be a little too late with this. If they came out with this even 3 - 5 years ago it would have made massive waves. But it just seems to be some heavy marketing behind what is essentially a different way to record audio and manipulate it.

I would dare say this looks like the Props attempt to fill a niche. People who did not want Midi in Live 4 and always wanted Ableton to build on Live 3 as a dedicated Audio app. Now that makes sense. I am just not sure how big that market is. I applaud the idea though. That does interest me but it's not a major deal. Current DAW's have incredibly powerful audio manipulation features already quantising audio e.t.c and even more creativity can be had with plugins like RMX 1.8.

Once more details are released then of course speculations can end (and maybe a slice of humble pie for me) but consider this an early review

and you got all of that from the word "Record"?

[christianmusicmaker]

and you got all of that from the word "Record"?

Of course. Easy.

Seriously, just my views on it so far. Obviously there is more info to come and likely a demo so my opinion my change (or not) lets see.

Great post, and I think you sum it up for lots of people here. The big question is whether "Record" is simply a nice add-on for Reason, or whether they are really looking to break into a different market. So far it looks to me like the former case. Time will tell, and I'm looking forward to learning more on Monday

Cheers.

Of course they are my opinions (cannot speak for anyone else) but lets see what Mondays info offers. I would love to see something genuinely different from the Props with "Record".

[vinayk]

Whatever it does - i'm going to go play with reason for a bit.

But you are quite right - live does a lot of audio mangling just with its built in features/sampler (sorta takes over from re-cycle in a way) - I wonder how this will top what is happening, and how it will do it for cheap?

I guess if prop's made this a $100 add on - then everyone who owns reason would buy it? heheh

[lotus2035]

That's Re-Tarded...

[headquest]

I guess if prop's made this a $100 add on - then everyone who owns reason would buy it? heheh

Nail head.

[christianmusicmaker]

Whatever it does - i'm going to go play with reason for a bit.

But you are quite right - live does a lot of audio mangling just with its built in features/sampler (sorta takes over from re-cycle in a way) - I wonder how this will top what is happening, and how it will do it for cheap?

I guess if prop's made this a $100 add on - then everyone who owns reason would buy it? heheh

Interesting points. It does appear as if the Props are aiming at audio manipulation as the key selling point for this app. Maybe the name "Record" sells it a bit short. Maybe Recording audio creatively is what Record is all about (less so editing).

Based on Peter Kirns article the props wanted to make it clear that..."Record is a piece of software designed around the musical possibilities of recording audio, he explains, emphasizing the actual act of recording and working with sound in ways that are always connected to musical time, beats and bars, and a fluid approach to tempo and tempo changes. It focuses on a single task rather than bundling together lots of tasks."

So that is great to read. An attempt to elevate recording to new highs creatively record and maybe edit/mangle audio. But yes I would love to see them offer something that is above and beyond Live 8's audio recording and editing not sure what else can be added.

That would be some effort indeed. Or maybe they are going for a less is more approach. Record defintely (so far) seems like it's really about Recording creatively not really editing... "emphasizing the actual act of recording" It certainly raises quite a few questions.

I guess if prop's made this a $100 add on - then everyone who owns reason would buy it? heheh

Yes pricing for it will be interesting to see.