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sches · Post by **sches** » Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:11 pm

Yes, of course, x64 will have into price too.

Giusmex · Post by **Giusmex** » Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:28 pm

HI

in another post i was asking about some suggestions about a good virtual analogyue synth, and of course diversion was suggested to me

I have to say that i love the sounds and the tweaking possibilities; they are really good and impressive;

Anyway, I didnt buy it because of the price; really Dmitry, 99 would be a better deal; but I imagine that you put so much effort into that that it would not be fair...

Anyone has his own reason.

Congratulation again

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:56 pm

It works in Reaper 64 bit here.
I made a patch to compare performance in 32 and 64 bit version of reaper
4 osc, 4 unison voices, no filters or anything else (slightly detuned and dephased (if that's a word :p))

with four keys down (ie 4x4x4=64 single osc's) it hit close to 7% in 64 bit and 7.5% in 32 bit of reaper.
Not the most accurate test ever performed though :p The difference could have been reaper itself, especially since i run 64bit windows 7.

sches · Post by **sches** » Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:12 pm

Thanks, Giusmex. But I need to say, Diversion may not be exactly what are you seeking for. Analogue warms is not Diversion's purpose, if you would like to have it. Of course, the plugin is a virtual analog one. All filters, osc shapes and many modules are designed by using analog prototypes. But Diversion is not optimized for generation analog style sounds. VA not equal to "analogish" character.

Wow, I have not been testing the plugin with x64 Reaper. It's cool that it works!

zorniko · Post by **zorniko** » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:29 pm

sches wrote:Analogue warms is not Diversion's purpose...
Diversion is not optimized for generation analog style sounds...
VA not equal to "analogish" character...

Uh, you should've said this earlier, before couple of us realized this by "ears", and gave some, well, unpleasant comments

Wish you all the best!

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Mon Aug 29, 2011 11:49 pm

I don't care if Diversion sounds "Analog"....it's been done to death and I've got a half dozen high quality plugins that cover that territory quite well. I only care if Diversion has it's own Character and Quality............which it does in abundant quantity..........

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:08 am

zorniko wrote:
GeorgeZ wrote:You're allowed to have an opinion, so go right ahead mate
Thanks George.

No, it is not just because of the demos
Ariston said that "there is something distinctly unpleasant about the overall sound", and I agree with that.

I'm sorry if some people are offended by opinions.
They are here for the things to become better.

I have to agree with you.

Tried the demo and I just can't seem to like it at all. Sure, measuring the oscillators shows that it is indeed very clean and void of any aliasing but that just isn't enough to make a good sounding synth in my opinion.

The basic LP/BP/HP filters sound extremely uninviting and quite unpleasant. Especially the resonance of the 24dB filter is horrible and reminds me of the old Roland digital synths like the JV series.

It actually reminds me a lot about the sterile sound of Zebra, before Zebra got the awesome XFM filters. I'm not fond of this kind of sound at all.

There's also something a bit "clicky", in a not so pleasant way, about the basic envelopes. Though this can be bypassed by using the MSEG where one can make a nicely curved envelope.

This kind of slightly sterile sound is already covered in my arsenal by NI Massive (which in my opinion sounds better) and Sytrus.

It's obviously very well thought out and the GUI is gorgeous and easy to use. Sorry to give this such a negative review based on the sound but this is how I see it.

Cheers!
bManic

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:15 am

LfmC wrote:
Teksonik wrote:
zorniko wrote:
Teksonik wrote:Therefore it makes no sense for you to contiune with this thread....
That is up to me to decide.
Teksonik wrote: you're simply moving from "debating" to arguing..........
No, that is what you are doing.
Teksonik wrote: continuing to harp on the fact doesn't do anything but waste your time..........
Again.

The whole point was the way you wrote that first post. You can't just say "leave this and go" to anybody.
I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do.....but if you don't like the synth why stay? Just to argue? I hardly think the Developer will rewrite the code just because you don't like the sound so continuing here is pointless......but as you said that's up to you.....if you have nothing better to do then by all means do carry on.........
Agreed. It's a matter of taste/ears/monitors/habbits/etc, and making an empty statement like that is not productive, and frankly kinda rude, when you're well aware the developer will not/can not change the sound of a synth just because you don't like it. It seems someone has too much time on their hands, as I doubt any normal producer out there wastes their time reading threads on synths they don't like, not to mention argue with satisfied users for no good reason.

No. The rude part was when people jumped on his opinion. Everybody is entitled to one here. He didn't mention it multiple times until he was criticized for his opinion.

We can't all like everything and judging by the building of the hype here it is actually refreshing to get opposing opinions as well, just like in any other thread. These are all highly subjective things. Heck, it might even help the developer to narrow down the cause of some of the negative opinions.

Personally I have no idea why I don't like the sound. Technically it looks brilliant but it's almost as if the sound is very "dead" and cold to me.

For instance, in ElectraX or FabFilter twin, I can play with a single saw wave through the filter for hours and have a blast. Here I can barely stand it for 2 minutes. Even with hard, metallic kind of sounds I can have a blast in ElectraX but not with this synth. Why? I have no idea!

These are harsh words but not meant with any malice. I'm only describing my feelings of the synth and what I hear. I have absolutely no ill intent towards the developer. On the contrary, I wish him a lot of success with the synthesizer. It's obviously a labor of love and I can definitely respect that.

Cheers!
bManic

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:03 am

I still don't understand why people seem to think that Synthesizer automatically equals Saw Wave.... don't we have enough standard VA's already?

Diversion seems to be a "Love it or Hate it" instrument....I happen to love it and it's crisp clear sound (and the Acid LP etc etc)....refreshing in a sea of samey VA's....I don't want Diversion to sound like every other synth.....I already own every other synth......(or damn near anyway)........

The two most important things a new synth can bring are Character and Quality of which Diversion has loads in my opinion....

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:11 am

bmanic wrote:
These are harsh words but not meant with any malice.

bManic

Not malice, but they are ridiculously overstated... It is a lovely sounding synth... maybe not your cup of tea, but that is different...

Personally I don't immediately like the sound of ElectraX... or Massive for that matter. Diversion sounds more appealing to me than either of those. They are all high quality synths. It is good that there is diversity.

LfmC · Post by **LfmC** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:19 am

bmanic wrote: Personally I have no idea why I don't like the sound. Technically it looks brilliant but it's almost as if the sound is very "dead" and cold to me.

Heck, it might even help the developer to narrow down the cause of some of the negative opinions.

So you assume the sound is a problem because you don't like it, and you offer your help to fix it?
Are you serious?
The sound isn't going anywhere. It's the integral part of the synth and it's here to stay. Most like it, some don't, and that's fine. And yes, there are things to tweak and polish up in Diversion, but the basic sound of the synth is not one of them.

Teksonik wrote:I don't care if Diversion sounds "Analog"....it's been done to death and I've got a half dozen high quality plugins that cover that territory quite well. I only care if Diversion has it's own Character and Quality............which it does in abundant quantity..........

My thoughts exactly.

rj0 · Post by **rj0** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:11 am

Especially for new products, I *want* to hear what people like and/or dislike about the product, especially the 'sound'. It makes no sense to exclude all but positive impressions.

Besides, it's not like developers in the past haven't on occasion added more sonic flexibility to their synths by adding a couple of filter variations that allowed one to significantly change the character of the sound.

sches · Post by **sches** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:30 am

Love and Hate. It seems that development succeeded. It seems that I did the sound with its own character, not just another synth and the right name had chosen for the plug.

Zorniko, are you sure that you really wish me the best?

It is hardly that comments depend on my states...

rj0, there need be no doubt, a tons of improvements, tricks and flexibility is added to Diversion.

nix808 · Post by **nix808** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:39 am

Well done sches!
I will try it soon.
Just to say it's no small act to create a full-featured synth.
If it's clean, that's the best starting point IMO.
Cheers

rj0 · Post by **rj0** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 7:17 am

sches wrote:
...

rj0, there need be no doubt, a tons of improvements, tricks and flexibility is added to Diversion.

Great to hear!

Diversion - new VST synth released!