Studio One strengths

[liquidsound]

Hope it works out for you

I hope one day will work for you too. It's really a great DAW. It feels like built on its own right rather then trying keeping up with the competition or with every crazy wish of the unsettled users.

Honestly there is no reason to dis other DAWs just to elevate Studio One. I like it for some certain features that I don't have in Reaper, but Reaper and other hosts have their own sets of features that trump Studio One in certain ways and for some users I don't feel there is any reason to mention 'the competition' except to discuss features in a non-partisan way. This thread has gone surprisingly well and has given me much info to help me decide what is right for me, lets not blow it now

S1 has no need to be elevated. It is what it is: a heck of a great DAW, and you should read slowly what's written in order to grasp what I said.
"It Feels" it's not the same as "it is".
You may end up "feeling" the same way soon..... Take it easy and enjoy your new purchase. Congrat!

[braj]

Cool, thanks.

[Resonator63]

Studio One gets better all the time and the user base is growing.Welcome aboard enjoy the ride

[braj]

Does anyone have any experience using Rewire with Studio One and recording the rewire output to a S1 track? Is this just impossible right now? I know I keep asking but I'd like to get it to work. Thanks!

[musikmachine]

I've not really dabbled with rewire yet, what are you trying to do?

[braj]

I've not really dabbled with rewire yet, what are you trying to do?

I'm trying to either render either the audio output or midi from Reaper into Studio One. I don't care too much which. Studio one lets the audio in, just there is no possibility I can see of recording it. And I used a utility (I forger the name, on a phone right now) to route the midi in, but when trying to record it something goes haywire. Anyhow I am forced to use that utility to get any midi in because apparently S1 doesn't have very robust rewire implementation. But it still isn't usable, so right now I can sync both hosts, record midi in Reaper, save to a file, then manually import it back into S1. This is all so I can use an arp that doesn't function in Studio One.

[braj]

OK, for anyone that needs it I figured out how to export audio from a rewire slave, including Reaper To keep it from shifting the timing (at least for Reaper, not sure why, if it is Reaper's fault and I am guessing it is because I get similar issues in Reaper all by itself) you have to include an empty bar before your Rewire slave track. Here's what to do:

1. set up your tracks in Reaper/Reason whatever so that it is ready to be recorded. Include a blank measure so there is no introduced delay (seems to be a 1/8 bar maybe, I need to check and figure out why)
2. In P1, select Menu>Song>Export Stems
3. In Export Stems dialog, click Channels tab.
4. Uncheck everything except the output you wish to record.I'm only using Reaper's master output, I'm sure you could configure more as necessary, but I only need one track.
5. Check the 'Import to track' checkbox, uncheck the 'close after export' checkbox so S1 doesn't shut down when the export is done.
6. Click OK and Voila! export is done (Don't click OK twice or it will just create a new export. Click 'Cancel' to exit the dialog.)

Anyhow Midi would be better but audio is not bad, it is pretty quick and I still have the other workaround to bring the midi in. For using the arp to create a bunch of arpaggiated loops it is simple and quick to work with

[jjmcjj]

Didn't read the whole thread, but my feeling is that S1 is just fantastic to mix in.

I love how easy it is to drag files into the arrange view, group them in folders, and then assign the folder to a bus. 3 clicks for what seemed to take me 15 minutes in my previous daw.

Then, once the project is set up, I find the console/mixer with its various quickviews just an incredible time saver. And as we all know, time doesn't just equal money. A lot of the times time = inspiration.

Long story short: I LOVE Studio One.

[LawrenceF]

Well, it's not just a solitary S1 thing (but yeah, agree) but in general... for mixing. The less time you spend fiddling with the interface the more time you have for critical listening, which drives all of your mix decisions.

You can get there (wherever "there" is in context) in any digital host. Hosts that are more transparent, the user interface, allow you to get there easier mostly because you spend more time actually listening. Mixing is 95% listening and 5% adjusting stuff based on what you hear. The more time fiddling with the UI, the less time listening, or trying to do both.

Personally (mmv) I suspect that's where some of the "sounds better" stuff comes from (unconsciously)... from some people maybe getting a better result in the same or less amount of time, because of the UI staying out of the way a bit more than whatever they were using before.

I really can't say S1 "sounds better" than Cubase. It doesn't to me. I can get a better mix in much less time in S1 (or even Reaper) though.

Anyway.. you see similar on good consoles, how quickly you can get a mix going, because everything you need is right there in front of you, faders, EQ's, even comps on the more expensive consoles, and it's not distracting you from listening... when you have to go looking for it.

[braj]

yeah I definitely haven't noticed it 'sounding better' (i openly mocked the S1 rep that posted that in their blog a little while ago ) and I'm still learning and getting use to the interface so I can't say I'm mixing anything more quickly, Reapers's folder tracks and track routing, bussing etc. are really great actually and that was never an issue for me, but one thing I did constantly with Reaper is fiddle with the interface: new skin, new placement of everything, new toolbars, new stuff to 'learn' where things were constantly even though it was the same host. This definitely isn't Reaper's fault at all, just my nonsense really, but not having those options makes me feel a bit more focused, a bit less scattered. I just need to learn the host 'once' basically.

[jjmcjj]

20 second S1 tutorial:

1) Push F9 to open the "Files Browser"; highlight and drag files for your multitrack project into the arrange view.

2) Say you dragged in a multitrack drum session--highlight the first track you dragged, then hold shift and click on the last track in the desired group; right click and select "pack folder".

3) Rename the folder to something appropriate (e.g. "drums"); in the large box next to the folder icon, click and select "Add to Bus".

et voila!

[LawrenceF]

That's gotten a bit easier with macros, although "Add Bus Channel" for folders isn't exposed yet.

This will pack the tracks into a folder, name the folder "Drums", then open the folder, assuming you want to see the tracks afterward. If "Add Bus Channel" was exposed you could fire that also (bus takes folder name) but it's not yet.

[jjmcjj]

Thanks for the tip, Lawrence. I've only been using S1 since February, so I'm still learning.

One question though--don't I need a separate macro for each instrument grouping (e.g. guitars, horns, keys, etc.)?

[filter303]

I just bought S1 Pro from the marketplace. I can't wait to start writing new tracks. Goodbye Reaper!

[5Lives]

S1v2.05 is definitely a strong contender. Great workflow, but is it enough to switch over based on what is still missing? That's the question I'm trying to answer right now.

What's missing? Well, in my opinion:
- Advanced MIDI editing (make legato, select all notes of a pitch, Logic's transform functions)
- Smart tool workflow (see PT and Logic)
- Preloaded groove templates for things like MPC swing, Logic swing, etc.
- Better arrange page editing (see PT - move selection down to next track, trim start, trim end, etc. - macros might help with this though)
- Real loops (see Logic, PT, and Cubase)
- Better color scheme (see Pro Tools 10)

As you can see, not very much at all, but these are important to me. Hopefully, Presonus keeps on making great progress.