Tone2 Rayblaster: OUT NOW! (demo version available)

[OzWozEre]

So this is first SYNTH SAMPLER? Certainly sounds like it

These guys seem to have some amazing products.

[KBSoundSmith]

At the Rayblaster Beta forum Markus announced that both the video and the product text on the website will be improved ASAP.


Ingo

Any word on whether or not the demo will actually be usable?

[billcarroll]

I'm rather excited to get my hands on this synth. I like the sounds and concept. And I think it's cool Tone2 is trying to push boundaries and do something different.

I say BRING IT

[Ingonator]

At the Rayblaster Beta forum Markus announced that both the video and the product text on the website will be improved ASAP.


Ingo

Any word on whether or not the demo will actually be usable?

I just got a message from Markus.

The demo will time out after 20 minutes and the plugin has to be restarted then.

The Resynthesis function and loading your own waveforms to the oscillators should to be activated in the demo version.


BTW the copy protection is a keyfile (which you could just copy to the installation folder) like with all other Tone2 synths.


Ingo

[Kriminal]

Any word on whether or not the demo will actually be usable?

The demo will time out after 20 minutes and the plugin has to be restarted then.

Thata a big NO then.

[Nokenoku]

Their marketing for this synth is insulting!
The video is ridiculous and what's written on their page is total BS to a very big part.
It's especially insulting to go like "not just marketing voodoo", and then doing exactly THAT.
I'm always interested to see new synth concepts (although it's not new .. as the idea was already realized in Hamburg Audio Nuklear), but this is really dislikable.

I don't get it ... instead of giving some honest information, they try to catch you with pseudo-scientific-marketing-blabla.
Some interesting parts of the synth are not even really explained ... others are offered as "the holy grail of synthesis" ...

What I also don't get is, why you start off such a project with those underwhelming audio examples.
Well .. I'm waiting for some audio demos by users to see, if this thing is worth my time.

[KBSoundSmith]

At the Rayblaster Beta forum Markus announced that both the video and the product text on the website will be improved ASAP.


Ingo

Any word on whether or not the demo will actually be usable?

I just got a message from Markus.

The demo will time out after 20 minutes and the plugin has to be restarted then.

The Resynthesis function and loading your own waveforms to the oscillators should to be activated in the demo version.


BTW the copy protection is a keyfile (which you could just copy to the installation folder) like with all other Tone2 synths.


Ingo

Hey Ingo, thanks for the reply. Any chance of lobbying for at least a 30-minute demo, and do you know if there will there be an init patch to start from?

[Ingonator]

and do you know if there will there be an init patch to start from?

From the EDIT menu you could choose:

- Init all
- Init matrix
- Init Arp
- Copy Osc1 tp Osc2
- Copy Osc2 to Osc1

There will be also Tutorial presets which show e.g. how to emulate certain filters based on the default waveform.


Ingo

[KBSoundSmith]

and do you know if there will there be an init patch to start from?

From the EDIT menu you could choose:

- Init all
- Init matrix
- Init Arp
- Copy Osc1 tp Osc2
- Copy Osc2 to Osc1


Ingo

Thanks, Ingo. The time-limit seems a bit short, but at least there will be init, that makes a big difference for me when demoing a synth.

[Ingonator]

Their marketing for this synth is insulting!
The video is ridiculous and what's written on their page is total BS to a very big part.
It's especially insulting to go like "not just marketing voodoo", and then doing exactly THAT.
I'm always interested to see new synth concepts (although it's not new .. as the idea was already realized in Hamburg Audio Nuklear), but this is really dislikable.

I don't get it ... instead of giving some honest information, they try to catch you with pseudo-scientific-marketing-blabla.
Some interesting parts of the synth are not even really explained ... others are offered as "the holy grail of synthesis" ...

What I also don't get is, why you start off such a project with those underwhelming audio examples.
Well .. I'm waiting for some audio demos by users to see, if this thing is worth my time.

I already mentioned that the video and the website text will be improved. Besides that i provided TONS of informations about feature in this thread but i won't repeat everything at every second page...
You could also check the PDF with screenshots which i provided at the last page.

About marketing:
D16 offered LuSH-101 as "The only synth you'll ever need" whích was ridiculous too.


Ingo

[Ingonator]

Thanks, Ingo. The time-limit seems a bit short, but at least there will be init, that makes a big difference for me when demoing a synth.

I think it's a good thing that the Resynthesis and waveform loading are activated i the demo.
AFAIk the demo time is the double amount of the Saurus demo. Anyway i'll try to ask soon...


Ingo

[KBSoundSmith]

Their marketing for this synth is insulting!
The video is ridiculous and what's written on their page is total BS to a very big part.
It's especially insulting to go like "not just marketing voodoo", and then doing exactly THAT.
I'm always interested to see new synth concepts (although it's not new .. as the idea was already realized in Hamburg Audio Nuklear), but this is really dislikable.

I don't get it ... instead of giving some honest information, they try to catch you with pseudo-scientific-marketing-blabla.
Some interesting parts of the synth are not even really explained ... others are offered as "the holy grail of synthesis" ...

What I also don't get is, why you start off such a project with those underwhelming audio examples.
Well .. I'm waiting for some audio demos by users to see, if this thing is worth my time.

Hmm, I think it's similar, but probably does not equate to Nuklear. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I assume it's using various microsound techniques (like Nuklear), but the ability to import waves and such also suggest convolution processing, which I do not believe Nuklear does.

edit: These are not new ideas, but they aren't often utilized in ways that fully maximize their potential, which is why RayBlaster has my interest enough to demo it. But yeah, Tone2, to put it nicely, can be, hmm, verbally challenged.

[xh3rv]

I don't think there is any "table" involved. First the responses used from waveforms of different synth also sound different and second this is not limited to "analog" waveforms. If you use a complex waveform you'll also receive a complex filter. Anyway if the waveform contains a part that corresponds to a resonant waveform the result could be that you receive some kind of resonant sound too.

Thanks for the .pdfs of the spectrum analysis - any chance you could post an oscilloscope one as well?

I think from your descriptions, I'm getting a sense of how this works, but it's just guessing. The analysis algorithm assumes some piecewise element of a single cycle waveform displays filtered geometry and another doesn't, and windows those parts out. Then, in resynthesis transforms segments somewhat independently, resequences them, giving some ability to modulate between filtered / unfiltered. Maybe

[KBSoundSmith]

Thanks, Ingo. The time-limit seems a bit short, but at least there will be init, that makes a big difference for me when demoing a synth.

I think it's a good thing that the Resynthesis and waveform loading are activated i the demo.
AFAIk the demo time is the double amount of the Saurus demo. Anyway i'll try to ask soon...


Ingo

Yeah, I can't wait to try that portion. I think I was probably one of the first to pick up Wave Designer, so I can't wait to try some of my waveforms. Plus, I like to use rather "out-there" samples, so I'll be putting RayBlaster through the works when the demo is made available.

[Ingonator]

Their marketing for this synth is insulting!
The video is ridiculous and what's written on their page is total BS to a very big part.
It's especially insulting to go like "not just marketing voodoo", and then doing exactly THAT.
I'm always interested to see new synth concepts (although it's not new .. as the idea was already realized in Hamburg Audio Nuklear), but this is really dislikable.

I don't get it ... instead of giving some honest information, they try to catch you with pseudo-scientific-marketing-blabla.
Some interesting parts of the synth are not even really explained ... others are offered as "the holy grail of synthesis" ...

What I also don't get is, why you start off such a project with those underwhelming audio examples.
Well .. I'm waiting for some audio demos by users to see, if this thing is worth my time.

Hmm, I think it's similar, but probably does not equate to Nuklear. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, I assume it's using various microsound techniques (like Nuklear), but the ability to import waves and such also suggest convolution processing, which I do not believe Nuklear does.

edit: These are not new ideas, but they aren't often utilized in ways that fully maximize their potential, which is why RayBlaster has my interest enough to demo it. But yeah, Tone2, to put it nicely, can be, hmm, verbally challenged.

I have done Beta testing and factory sounds for both Nuklear and Rayblaster and don't think they are very much similar. I agree that with the Resynthesis feature there could be some comparable results but the Impulse modelling synthesis is not comparable to the Pulsar Train Synthesis IMO. Anyway both are great synths in their own respect.

I have already told lot about what is possible with Rayblaster during the last pages but i think it's better to wait until it's allowed to post audio demos (which will take some time...) before i tell more.