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chk071 wrote:
ghettosynth wrote: if a synth doesn't wake up my CPU cooler, then I find it very unlikely that I will like how it sounds.
I feel like this plugin (or Sylenth too) will prove that you don't need to slaugher the CPU to provide a pleasant sound. :) My point of view always has been that you don't have to mimic every single details in real world stuff virtually to get a good result. Synths or plugins which create hundreds of voices without using your CPU as a frying pan show that it is possible, and that it isn't always necessary to be 100% authentic. Especially for a musical result, it probably isn't necessary to catch every detail.
FM8 provides ample evidence that you don't need to slaughter a CPU to provide a pleasant sound. It's filters don't sound like Diva, however. Perhaps I should have said that "I find it very unlikely that I will like how it sounds enough to buy it." Killing my CPU is proxy for doing something new and interesting technically. If you aren't pushing the envelope then it's likely that whatever you're doing, I can already do with something that I have. If that's not true, that is, I don't have a synth that can create the sound out of the box, and you aren't killing the CPU, then I can probably replicate the effect in Reaktor. Since the effect isn't pushing the envelope, it will be possible in Reaktor, even though it may killl my CPU. In order for that not to be true, you have to be doing something not well understood, or doing something that is impossible in Reaktor owing to its inefficiency.

In any case, I'm not a fan of the supersaw sound, but, I do use them from time to time for stringlike pads. But for me, Reaktor gets the job done. I have a couple of different ensembles, one that is a modified J4c, and one that uses the Ampere supersaw module.

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I agree with you ghettosynth but also some developers might not know how to optimise their code well so they might be killing your cpu with some lame aliasing stock algorithms that aren't even circuit modelled or sumthing
circuit modeling and 0-dfb filters are cool

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This must be the most controversial debate about a synth no-one has ever heard (the one sound example was of an algorithm that is not likely to make it into the final version).

It's good that people don't get their hopes high. We're not cloning Sylenth.

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Urs wrote:We're not cloning Sylenth.
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We're just having a bit fun Urs :) And keeps the topic alive, good to have some buzz around the synth
Last edited by penguinfromdeep on Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:41 pm, edited 1 time in total.
circuit modeling and 0-dfb filters are cool

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Urs wrote:It's good that people don't get their hopes high.
I've never been disappointed by a U-he synth. So, I'm sure it will be 'very good' at the very least.

Agree tho', A lot of bizarre speculation over a tiny clip. :lol:
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penguinfromdeep wrote:I agree with you ghettosynth but also some developers might not know how to optimise their code well so they might be killing your cpu with some lame aliasing stock algorithms that aren't even circuit modelled or sumthing
Certainly, but, I never stated that the converse was true, and as we all know, a statement doesn't necessarily imply its converse. There could be any number of reasons that a synth is killing my cpu, that doesn't mean that I think that it's interesting. If it isn't killing my CPU, however, I know that it's not interesting because it isn't pushing any envelopes.

I stated my position in the form of

not (killing my cpu) implies not (interesting synth).

Since, as we all know, this is equivalent to its contrapositive, we have

not (not (interesting synth)) implies not (not (killing my cpu)

or

interesting synth implies killing my cpu.

Which does not necessarily imply the converse, i.e.,

killing my cpu implies interesting synth.

A simpler example

All babies are children, but all children are not babies. However, it is absolutely true that if you aren't a child then you're not a baby.

Clear?

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Urs wrote:This must be the most controversial debate about a synth no-one has ever heard (the one sound example was of an algorithm that is not likely to make it into the final version).

It's good that people don't get their hopes high. We're not cloning Sylenth.
Not that I think that you're addressing my comments in any way, but, this (thread) is a good example of how I don't actually need to hear a synth to know whether or not I'm likely to be interested. This a common rejoinder from people with less technical backgrounds, i.e., that you can't reasonably judge a synth until you hear it in the flesh. It's even taken to the extreme that you can't judge it based on a youtube video. Nonsense!

I can judge whether or not I'd find an analog or discrete digital synth interesting just by looking at a schematic/block diagram. Software synths are similarly easy to judge based on simple descriptions of their architecture and the supporting technology. A supersaw synth with low cpu usage tells me a lot about the oscillators and the filters, and it doesn't matter much what else is in there because that's most of what's going to make the synth stand out in some way.

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Seems like the same old debate of "sound vs features".

And also it may be that Sylenth is pigeonholed as an "EDM synth" while EDM is pigeonholed as "cookie-cutter music for unimaginative people", therefore serious guys are ready to write off anything labelled as "Sylenth successor".

While EDM is what it is, Sylenth is still a good sounding synth, therefore the expectations for the sound quaility of its (alleged) succesor are also very high.
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A synth can quite easily kill your cpu cos its coded badly...nothing to do with sound quality.

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Why is no-one discussing the 303 clip? :scared:

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Kriminal wrote:A synth can quite easily kill your cpu cos its coded badly...nothing to do with sound quality.
Yes, of course, did you understand my post regarding the contrapostive vs the converse?

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xalama qo wrote:Why is no-one discussing the 303 clip? :scared:
Where??

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xalama qo wrote:Why is no-one discussing the 303 clip? :scared:
Havent seen a public link for that.

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recursive one wrote: And also it may be that Sylenth is pigeonholed as an "EDM synth" while EDM is pigeonholed as "cookie-cutter music for unimaginative people", therefore serious guys are ready to write off anything labelled as "Sylenth successor".
While EDM is what it is, Sylenth is still a good sounding synth, therefore the expectations for the sound quaility of its (alleged) succesor are also very high.
It unfortunately becomes circular at that point too.
So many of the sounds you hear for it are EDM and so it gets looked over by others for being able to do anything else. Certainly it can as the vast majority of the synths have much more range than their pigeon hole ubiquity ever imagines. That is why it's important for the developer to start that with a larger range in their demos. And the Sylenth site is a flood of demos all geared to... EDM. I can hear more in its characteristics than EDM, but it's hard getting past the fact that, unless you're doing the programming yourself, you're going to have to swim an ocean of bad EDM patches to find those gems that make the synth shine. So it is the MaryMollySpice kids doing EDM that kills it and the developers that cater to that only have themselves to blame.

EDM stands for 'Education Doesn't Matter' - right? (Or is it 'Everyone's Doing Molly')? ;)

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