IK Multimedia announced Miroslav Philharmonik 2

[jinotsuh]

Anyway, it would be interesting to know if those "new recordings" are leftovers from the past or really Miro was resurrected again for new recording sessions? I hardly believe the 2nd. Nowdays with all the social media etc. a few videos about the recording sessions and detailed background info's are essential.

I believe it has been said somewhere in the 'blurbs' that it was a new recording session/sessions, involving the 'man' himself, and was said something like 'it wouldn't have happened if he did not participate' something along those lines. (of course my memory could be failing me, but . . .)

So the new MP2 contains all the original content as well as the new ? This makes me interested, as I never jumped on the original, almost did during the recent sale, but had other priorities. May have to jump on this though and take advantage of the lower price.

[edit] hmmm, when I posted, I thought it only showed me 1 page in this thread, now I see it is many pages long, so I guess parts of my post belong in the past

[bosone]

any possibility to see the complete patch list??

how is legato phrasing? can I do glissando? is there automatic round robin to avoid machine gun effect for repetitions e.g. in staccato patches (in miroslav 1 it was terrible!!!!!)
is it possible to handle expression from piano to forte with dedicate CC, is there sample crossfading for this??

these are very important characteristic for an orchestral library, more than necessary to obtain realistic phrasing!

one note:
"Over 2,500 new instruments": really?? i suppose that this refer to the number of patches, including articulations and variations
one comment: this is completely opposite to the development of some recent orchestral libraries in which there are very few patches/instruments from which you can handle all the articulations in a very convenient way throught keyswitching/scripting.

[basslinemaster]

any possibility to see the complete patch list??

how is legato phrasing? can I do glissando? is there automatic round robin to avoid machine gun effect for repetitions e.g. in staccato patches (in miroslav 1 it was terrible!!!!!)
is it possible to handle expression from piano to forte with dedicate CC, is there sample crossfading for this??

these are very important characteristic for an orchestral library, more than necessary to obtain realistic phrasing!

one note:
"Over 2,500 new instruments": really?? i suppose that this refer to the number of patches, including articulations and variations
one comment: this is completely opposite to the development of some recent orchestral libraries in which there are very few patches/instruments from which you can handle all the articulations in a very convenient way throught keyswitching/scripting.

They think people are more likely to buy it if they hear "Over 2,500 new instruments", than if they are told it has scripting/keyswitching to actually make it sound realistic. I wasn't impressed by the audio demos, why are people making out this is so wonderful?

[bosone]

They think people are more likely to buy it if they hear "Over 2,500 new instruments", than if they are told it has scripting/keyswitching to actually make it sound realistic. I wasn't impressed by the audio demos, why are people making out this is so wonderful?

i have the same feeling, but since i have misroslav and i find it nice for some stuff i'm giving this upgrade a possibility.
don't really need it 100% since i also have Garritan personal and instant orchestra, komplete ultimate and kirk hunter solo strings, but some sounds from miroslav are nice, too.

but i don't need a "synth" orchestra like garritan instant orchestra, which sounds very good and powerful but it's not so suited to make realistic passages and phrases.
i would prefer something to give some more "classical" realism to my songs. but i feel that even for the upgrade price there could be better libraries for this need (...not mentioning the full price tag!)

[DarkStar]

"Over 2,500 new instruments": really?? i suppose that this refer to the number of patches, including articulations and variations

Te number of new instruments in MP2 is just over 1,000; the other 1,500 are those from the first MP.

any possibility to see the complete patch list??

I had a look at the new instruments listed over here and done my own analysis:
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/ph ... ik2-sounds

Those 1,000 MP2 new instruments are created from 38 different orchestral instruments. Adding in the articulations takes us to 185. Then, for many of the articulations, there are several variations (which include performances at different dynamic levels, different lengths, different intensities and even different scales for recorded lines), getting to 964 MP2 instruments.

Then there are 31 Multis (key-switched combinations of instrument articulations) and 9 quartets / ensembles / bands . A grand total of 1,0004.

Given that number of MP2 instruments I am going to need the ability to build my own key-switched Multis and name the switches uniquely. Loading different articulations / variations into different slots, using different MIDI channels, will not work for me.

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In ST3, not all of the key-switches are uniquely named on the key-switch pop-up keyboard - I go to the Edit page to see them:



(reported to IKM Support when ST3 was released)

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Edit:
As an addition, the first MP's instruments were created from 76 different orchestral instrument or instrument groups. Adding articulations gets to 1,360 (not 1,500). With the variations the total comes to 4,080 MP instruments.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[Lotuzia]

Btw, isn't Miroslav Xx a *sample libary* for a *sampler player* ? If that would be the case, this thread might find a better place in the *Sampler/sample libs* forum.

[bosone]

Given that number of MP2 instruments I am going to need the ability to build my own key-switched Multis and name the switches uniquely. Loading different articulations / variations into different slots, using different MIDI channels, will not work for me.

that was the nightmare in miroslav 1!
the method could work 10-15 years ago, not nowadays!

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[Lotuzia]

Btw, isn't Miroslav Xx a *sample libary* for a *sampler player* ? If that would be the case, this thread might find a better place in the *Sampler/sample libs* forum.

no that's a really wrong way to look at it via kvr instrument forum "acceptability".

It's an instrument with it's own dedicated plugin.. just like many kontakt instruments that have their own kontakt player are discussed in the instrument sub forum (for example zero g epica).

If every instrument that used some form of samples was not welcome here, it would be a ghost town.

I think it's fairly easy to make a distinction between what belongs here and what belongs in the sample sub forum.

Something like sampletank powered instrument, real guitar, omnisphere, east west play, phaedra/epica, with it's own au/vst etc, belongs here.

A library that *requires* the purchase/ownership of another sampler to RUN it in should be in the sample forum.

pretty straightforward.

Well, the subforum title is ' SAMPLERS, samples and ... sample libraries ' so no I don't think it's that str8forward. Instruments that only deal with samples, ie samplers and romplers only, might as well belong to this 'sampler' forum if I read the title well. And this ' Sampler etc' subforum is the ghost town, for good reasons.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[DarkStar]

Peter,
Can you shed some light on this feature?

Includes the complete original Miroslav Philharmonik sounds optimized for more control with articulation switching and enhanced macros

What has been done?
-- how many (key-switched?) Multis?
-- got a list?
-- how many Macro controls and what are they?

[Lotuzia]

Btw, isn't Miroslav Xx a *sample libary* for a *sampler player* ? If that would be the case, this thread might find a better place in the *Sampler/sample libs* forum.

no that's a really wrong way to look at it via kvr instrument forum "acceptability".

It's an instrument with it's own dedicated plugin.. just like many kontakt instruments that have their own kontakt player are discussed in the instrument sub forum (for example zero g epica).

If every instrument that used some form of samples was not welcome here, it would be a ghost town.

I think it's fairly easy to make a distinction between what belongs here and what belongs in the sample sub forum.

Something like sampletank powered instrument, real guitar, omnisphere, east west play, phaedra/epica, with it's own au/vst etc, belongs here.

A library that *requires* the purchase/ownership of another sampler to RUN it in should be in the sample forum.

pretty straightforward.

Well, the subforum title is ' SAMPLERS, samples and ... sample libraries ' so no I don't think it's that str8forward. Instruments that only deal with samples, ie samplers and romplers only, might as well belong to this 'sampler' forum if I read the title well. And this ' Sampler etc' subforum is the ghost town, for good reasons.

well i guess this is the first time we have disagreed so strongly. If there was a problem with the way it has been all this time, the mods would have changed it and removed these topics and TOLD members that we had to put things like sampletank in the other forum. But obviously they don't have an issue with it and obviously 99.99% of kvr doesn't either - otherwise more of us would bring it up. TBH that's the first time i have read that sort of "suggestion" or "complaint" here in the instruments forum, with regards to sample based instruments. Since you are obviously in the vast minority in this matter, isn't it just better to accept it and let it go?

Also, if xils for example ever release a sample based instrument and they CHOOSE to post it in the sample sub forum, thatt's their prerogative. Otherwise they will be welcome to post it here like every one else. In the meantime, please let's leave things the way they are.. this is the forum where we find out about all the new instruments and it's worked for 14 years.

Eheh its good to disagree sometimes my friend, else the world would be boring. *Accept it and let it go* ?, no problem, actually it doesnt matter that much to me. It's just that imho it would drive more attention to the *sampler etc* forum if this forum could deserve its name, and balance a bit more the views between the *instruments* and *sampler forum* or make the desert island *sampler* forum more attractive to say it in another way). Then, if anyone can post anything in the instrument forum (Except those who can't, of course) so be it. As for belonging to a minority, well it's probably more than that, but honnestly I dont care, if any minority could not have rights to just *speak*, this world would be equally boring as the one where ... you can't disagree with friends.

[Lotuzia]

Peter,
Can you shed some light on this feature?

Includes the complete original Miroslav Philharmonik sounds optimized for more control with articulation switching and enhanced macros

What has been done?
-- how many (key-switched?) Multis?
-- got a list?
-- how many Macro controls and what are they?

back to topic after the little disgression.

[vic_france]

The demos of Miroslav Philharmonik 2 sound good to me.
One question: is there any Divisi feature coming with the new library?
I see no mention of this in the description.

It is not built into Miroslav Philharmonik 2. I will relay your suggestion, thank you.

Thanks for your answer.
In my view this feature is essential in any up to date orchester library.
Mixing several smaller strings ensembles for divisi is quite a lot of unnecessary work and often does not achieve the wanted sound.
I do hope this feature will find its way in Miroslav Philharmonik 2.

Best regards

Great as it would be to have this, I doubt it will happen, at least as an automatic function.. To remain compatible with SampleTank 3, it would have to be implemented there too (and there isn't really any other SampleTank library that could make use of it anyways ). Best we could hope for (and possible ), is separate divisi patches (upper and lower) for each section, which could be keyswitch-triggered manually, but they'd have to be on their own MIDI channels anyways.