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transmetropolitan · Post by **transmetropolitan** » Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:44 pm

Tried the demo. Congratulations Sean. It's a real triumph.

Out of interest, how would you compare ValhallaPlate to Eos?

valhallasound · Post by **valhallasound** » Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:57 pm

transmetropolitan wrote:Tried the demo. Congratulations Sean. It's a real triumph.

Out of interest, how would you compare ValhallaPlate to Eos?

Totally different. The plate modes in Eos are "digital plates," of a different topology than the digital plates in ValhallaRoom or ValhallaVintageVerb, but still digital. ValhallaPlate is designed to sound like an EMT140.

Sean Costello

valhallasound · Post by **valhallasound** » Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:08 pm

4damind wrote:Sean, why you recommend to use the plate as a send effect?

I think almost any reverb is better on a send, unless you are using it 100% wet. The reasons:

- More CPU efficient. One reverb instance can be used for a bunch of tracks.
- Closer to the design use of hardware reverbs. In the case of ValhallaPlate, the hardware versions were ALWAYS run on a send bus from the console. There was no wet/dry mix on an EMT140.
- More power to manipulate the reverb input/output. You can put a compressor in front of the reverb to tame the attacks, the predelay of your choice to get more character and/or sync the predelay, an EQ on the output to precisely shape the frequency response, all that.
- Glues mix together into a more cohesive space.

The last few Valhalla reverb plugins (VintageVerb, Plate) have been designed around the idea that they will be used on sends. I view these reverbs as existing as part of a modular DAW environment, where people have access to all sorts of auxiliary processing for further shaping of the reverb sound. This allows the Valhalla plugins to be minimalist and highly focused on the task at hand.

Sean Costello

billcarroll · Post by **billcarroll** » Sun Nov 15, 2015 10:53 pm

valhallasound wrote:
4damind wrote:Sean, why you recommend to use the plate as a send effect?
I think almost any reverb is better on a send, unless you are using it 100% wet. The reasons:

- More CPU efficient. One reverb instance can be used for a bunch of tracks.
- Closer to the design use of hardware reverbs. In the case of ValhallaPlate, the hardware versions were ALWAYS run on a send bus from the console. There was no wet/dry mix on an EMT140.
- More power to manipulate the reverb input/output. You can put a compressor in front of the reverb to tame the attacks, the predelay of your choice to get more character and/or sync the predelay, an EQ on the output to precisely shape the frequency response, all that.
- Glues mix together into a more cohesive space.

The last few Valhalla reverb plugins (VintageVerb, Plate) have been designed around the idea that they will be used on sends. I view these reverbs as existing as part of a modular DAW environment, where people have access to all sorts of auxiliary processing for further shaping of the reverb sound. This allows the Valhalla plugins to be minimalist and highly focused on the task at hand.

Sean Costello

Sean,

What is your predelay of choice?

valhallasound · Post by **valhallasound** » Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:07 pm

billcarroll wrote: Sean,

What is your predelay of choice?

Whatever predelay is in the plugin. I personally use predelay sparingly, and would only add up to 30 msec in a plate.

Other folks like to sync their reverb predelay to the song tempo, which is why I recommended using the delay of their choice. ÜberMod works well for this, so I might personally make use of this. There are a lot of syncable delays out there (your DAW probably has one built in).

Alex Cremers · Post by **Alex Cremers** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 9:16 am

What are some of the famous recordings done with (real) plate like this? Dark Side Of The Moon maybe? Anyone knows?

In the '80, plate was mainly used for percussion, I believe. This plugin seems to be good for any kind of reverb.

Roman Empire · Post by **Roman Empire** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:28 am

Are you good, skilled and talented people ever gonna release a reverb sounding like a real chamber like they used to in the 60s?

Best Regards

Roman Empire

sazb30 · Post by **sazb30** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 10:46 am

I'm loving this reverb on my voice.. for a low-key there but not there kind of vibe it's outstanding. It's great a bit wetter too... lovely and clean and airy. Totally thrilled with it

Thanks Sean!!!

rustman · Post by **rustman** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:26 am

Roman Empire wrote:Are you good, skilled and talented people ever gonna release a reverb sounding like a real chamber like they used to in the 60s?

Best Regards

Roman Empire

Like 60 A.D.? Those went out with your empire....
Jk.

Roman Empire · Post by **Roman Empire** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:46 am

rustman wrote:
Roman Empire wrote:Are you good, skilled and talented people ever gonna release a reverb sounding like a real chamber like they used to in the 60s?

Best Regards

Roman Empire
Like 60 A.D.? Those went out with your empire....
Jk.

Haha

Now, THAT´d be some vintage reverb!!!

Best Regards

Roman Empire

comfortablynick · Post by **comfortablynick** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:09 pm

Alex Cremers wrote:What are some of the famous recordings done with (real) plate like this? Dark Side Of The Moon maybe? Anyone knows?

In the '80, plate was mainly used for percussion, I believe. This plugin seems to be good for any kind of reverb.

Yes DSOTM is a famous example of the EMT 140. It was supposedly the only reverb used on that record. It's interesting that Alan Parsons didn't opt to use the great Abbey Road chambers; maybe he just liked the sound of the plate better? Or perhaps the plate gave the desired stereo effect. I believe I've read that the prominent reverb behind Jim Morrison's voice on the first Doors record was the EMT plate. There's undoubtedly some chamber mixed in there too though.

When I think of the '80s, I think of gated digital reverbs on drums. Certainly that comes to mind more than plates. I'm sure engineers were enjoying the much greater flexibility of the new digital units, although plates are great for percussion. I agree ValhallaPlate just sounds good on everything.

valhallasound · Post by **valhallasound** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:47 pm

Roman Empire wrote:Are you good, skilled and talented people ever gonna release a reverb sounding like a real chamber like they used to in the 60s?

Try the last 3 modes in ValhallaPlate (Aluminum, Copper, Unobtanium) with the SIZE set to 200%. These modes are kind of a plate/chamber hybrid, with the dispersion of a plate, and the higher modal density found in reverb chambers.

Sean Costello

Roman Empire · Post by **Roman Empire** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:54 pm

valhallasound wrote:
Roman Empire wrote:Are you good, skilled and talented people ever gonna release a reverb sounding like a real chamber like they used to in the 60s?
Try the last 3 modes in ValhallaPlate (Aluminum, Copper, Unobtanium) with the SIZE set to 200%. These modes are kind of a plate/chamber hybrid, with the dispersion of a plate, and the higher modal density found in reverb chambers.

Sean Costello

Thanks Sean, will definately check this out!

Examigan · Post by **Examigan** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 12:39 am

There is a review of it in the new issue of SoundBytes Magazine:
http://soundbytesmag.net/valhallaplatefromvalhalladsp/

comfortablynick · Post by **comfortablynick** » Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:28 pm

valhallasound wrote:If you had a mono plate (i.e. one output), or one output from a stereo plate, you could pan this wherever you wanted. For ValhallaPlate, you would want to run it on a mono send, and select the mono-in, mono-out option in your DAW. This is essentially one of the output channels of the plugin, and replicates the mono-out of a plate. Follow up ValhallaPlate with a panner, and you can put it wherever you want in the stereo field.

Hi Sean,

Since Reaper doesn't have "mono" channels, do you know how I could best accomplish the same result as you describe above? Setting the width knob to 0% doesn't sound quite right to me, and I do love the occasional mono reverb return.

Congrats again on the great plugin.

Thanks!
Nick

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