KVR Audio

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:18 pm

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Ohlson_M · Post by **Ohlson_M** » Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:00 pm

Too many people bitch about presets. They almost always suck (especially SA KICK 2 presets) and almost never fit into your productions anyway. This is especially true with kick samples.

The true value of a kick synth is what you can create with it yourself. In terms of synthesis, nothing beats KICK 2 IMO. It´s incredibly diverse. What I don´t like about Punchbox is that all kick drums I come up with (from its synthesis section) tend to have the same characteristics, with slight variations. This doesn´t mean I don´t like the sound of Punchbox. It seems to do well in genres like Techno and Tech House. But of course, if you import your own samples the sonic palette increases ten fold.

For a person owning KICK 2, Metrum, BazzIsm and BigKick, it´s not a priority to get Punchbox.

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:15 pm

Ohlson_M wrote:For a person owning KICK 2, Metrum, BazzIsm and BigKick, it´s not a priority to get Punchbox.

This is my dilemma. I'm a self-confessed D16 fanboi, however Kick2 covers my needs and then some.
Decisions

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:36 pm

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Ohlson_M · Post by **Ohlson_M** » Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:06 pm

I could have used a better word. My main point is that IMO, most of the drum synth presets I have listened to are useless. 9/10 sounds bad and plain weird. Its the same with kick samples, therefore I don't judge the synth by its presets, even if that should be the case. As you say, they should reflect what the synth is capable of but often the presets are incredibly badly programmed.

I dont like the demo presets from Punchbox, but I like what I can program myself inside Punchbox, even if the synthesis section feels limited.

Oliver Schmitt · Post by **Oliver Schmitt** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 11:34 am

hey guys! for all those german speaker out there - here's a great 1st testimonial of pb

http://www.bonedo.de/artikel/einzelansi ... -test.html

enjoy & have a great weekend!
oli

risome · Post by **risome** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:15 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote:
sin night wrote: The only thing I'm unsure is why just bass drums...
I would expect a snare module next, followed closely by a hi-hat/cymbal rack module.

You can easily fashion snare n hats and claps from Punchbox

plexuss · Post by **plexuss** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:46 pm

I bought Punchbox. Thanks to you, you mentioned Metrum, so I downloaded it and tried it out comparing it to Punchbox. For me PB was an easy winner. first of all, Metrum requires a eLicenser - I have one but feel I was forced into buying it because of Waldorf's completely stupid licensing policy (in fact there are some details about it most don't know and if they transfer a Waldorf license, the new license holder likely will not be able to replace it if they lose it even if its on the eLicenser). Also Metrum's GUI, well, basically sucks, for me. It was so bad it was effectively unusable (by me). But that's just me, YMWV. Also Metrum was more about layering samples than about processing them, where-as PB's approach is more about processing samples. I can understand why some say that Metrum has more variation in sound, because its all in the samples (primarilly). Where-as PB is more about the processing. So for me, I found PB a better fit because it's more about dialling in your own sound rather than calling up sounds. I am sure if I was forced to use Metrum I would learn it's processing engine but PB just came more naturally and its much more fun to work with. Metrum was not fun for me to work with because of the UI (very small vague controls). The other thing I like about PB is the synthesized drum selection. and it's cheaper (especially using the 20E off coupon). so there it is. thanks for the hears up on Metrum too, it was interesting to try it.

mosska · Post by **mosska** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 6:38 pm

this thing is amazing. i can get the kick i need faster and easier then with the KICK 2.

gunark · Post by **gunark** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 9:51 pm

I like it, used it on the last two tracks and it handles its role well and is easy to get good results from.

But on Live 9.6 on OSX El Capitan it sometimes goes silent and requires opening the edit window to bring it back to life. No big one but annoying and live it would be embarrassing.

crowsbelikecaw · Post by **crowsbelikecaw** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:02 am

gunark wrote:
But on Live 9.6 on OSX El Capitan it sometimes goes silent and requires opening the edit window to bring it back to life. No big one but annoying and live it would be embarrassing.

Is your version paid? I have that happening on Win 8.1 as well. I still have the demo installed, so I figured it was part of the demo limitations.

gunark · Post by **gunark** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:55 am

dtomaloff wrote:
gunark wrote:
But on Live 9.6 on OSX El Capitan it sometimes goes silent and requires opening the edit window to bring it back to life. No big one but annoying and live it would be embarrassing.
Is your version paid? I have that happening on Win 8.1 as well. I still have the demo installed, so I figured it was part of the demo limitations.

Yep full version.

morelia · Post by **morelia** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:21 am

gunark wrote:
dtomaloff wrote:
gunark wrote:
But on Live 9.6 on OSX El Capitan it sometimes goes silent and requires opening the edit window to bring it back to life. No big one but annoying and live it would be embarrassing.
Is your version paid? I have that happening on Win 8.1 as well. I still have the demo installed, so I figured it was part of the demo limitations.
Yep full version.

I reported this bug (Reaper on Win 7 x64). They said it was an issue they are starting to explore starting next week. They've had several reports about it. I'd say add your name to the list just so they are aware how wide spread it is (i.e. different DAW and OS systems)

electro · Post by **electro** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:34 pm

plexuss wrote:I bought Punchbox. Thanks to you, you mentioned Metrum, so I downloaded it and tried it out comparing it to Punchbox. For me PB was an easy winner. first of all, Metrum requires a eLicenser - I have one but feel I was forced into buying it because of Waldorf's completely stupid licensing policy (in fact there are some details about it most don't know and if they transfer a Waldorf license, the new license holder likely will not be able to replace it if they lose it even if its on the eLicenser).

elicenser is a better option than C/R which is what d16 has changed their copy protection to. Once d16 disappears so will your ability to activate Punchbox.

greenfly · Post by **greenfly** » Sun Jul 10, 2016 5:45 pm

I bought it today and really like it. You have to work quite hard to produce bad sounding kicks on it. The only other kick generator I have is Big Kick and I I don't think it will get much use anymore after testing Punch Box out.

I also like the fact that I can load any type of sound into the sample section, claps, hats, percs etc and use the effects to add more character to them.

Pretty cool in my opinion!

D16 Group teases PunchBOX