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Hink · Post by **Hink** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:04 pm

telecharge wrote:May we discuss the evolution of Cakewalk's Sonar here? Is any discussion about Sonar welcome in the Hosts & Applications (Sequencers, DAWs, Audio Editors, etc.) forum?

of course

Jim Roseberry · Post by **Jim Roseberry** » Mon Oct 17, 2016 8:10 pm

Hink wrote:
telecharge wrote:May we discuss the evolution of Cakewalk's Sonar here? Is any discussion about Sonar welcome in the Hosts & Applications (Sequencers, DAWs, Audio Editors, etc.) forum?
of course

As long as it's all negative...

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:05 am

No, it's NOT about all "negative"

But try and understand why the negative comes instead of automatically making those people absurd.

It's up to you (whomever)

JoseC. · Post by **JoseC.** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:35 am

incubus wrote:
But try and understand why the negative comes

Please tell us, oh you Negative!

1wob2many · Post by **1wob2many** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:05 am

incubus wrote:But try and understand why the negative comes

Oh, you poor little lamb. You're just misunderstood, and not a right royal pain in the backside.

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:38 pm

pekbro wrote:
Jace-BeOS wrote:Ala cart features must be a support nightmare that is justified by the desire to cover every possible marketing/consumer level as possible which is foolish).

Why should this be a nightmare? Seeing how all versions share the same engine code,
all you should need is a well designed relational database really. Not so hard, at least
on their end. Any issues on the customer end should exist regardless of what add ons
they have or don't have.

-Cheers

I mean more for the customer than the support department, but I imagine it's also going to be a PITA for them too, since they'll have to keep track of exactly what the customer has, beyond the already annoying three(?) versions of Sonar.

Mystic · Post by **Mystic** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:15 pm

Jace-BeOS wrote:I mean more for the customer than the support department, but I imagine it's also going to be a PITA for them too, since they'll have to keep track of exactly what the customer has, beyond the already annoying three(?) versions of Sonar.

It's really not all that bad or complex. If figuring out what you're buying, what you have or what you need is too complex across 3 versions which are clearly spelled out on the website, you're in the wrong industry.

It's really no different than Cubase with Elements, Artist and Pro. Pro Tools with First, Pro Tools and HD. Studio One with Prime, Artist or Pro... I think you see the trend. The only difference is that Cakewalk is actively adding to their products constantly. They release a PDF and website update every time they do update with detailed information on what is being added, what it does, etc. Not sure how much more hand holding you're expecting.

To me, it seems like some people here are salty because of certain users on their forums or because the old company (admittedly) was pretty terrible. Especially under the rule of Roland. X3 was the first steps in correcting those issues. It's been a long process but I'm glad I stuck it out because what we've got now is a fantastic product that is consistently getting better and they are making hardcore efforts to correct long term issues like support. Not going to happen overnight though.

telecharge · Post by **telecharge** » Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:16 pm

Well, I gave it the "old college try" as they say here in the U.S. No idea if anything will come from it, but I'm not very hopeful at this point.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3500198

vespesian · Post by **vespesian** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:59 am

telecharge wrote:Well, I gave it the "old college try" as they say here in the U.S. No idea if anything will come from it, but I'm not very hopeful at this point.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3500198

Ugh. Don't know how you can stand that patronizing mix of gloat and spin. The constant deflection of any sort of criticism of Cakewalk, combined with shady subtle digs at competitors, (as well as over-use of italics), suggests a slightly deranged mindset.

flugel45 · Post by **flugel45** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 3:20 pm

telecharge wrote:Well, I gave it the "old college try" as they say here in the U.S. No idea if anything will come from it, but I'm not very hopeful at this point.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3500198

What exactly are you giving a "try" at?

Did I miss where you have a specific problem (other than stressing that CW support is sh*t at the moment)?

If your point is to continuously stress that fact, you've done it and then some. But then again, it was a dead horse when you took up the "cause".

1wob2many · Post by **1wob2many** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:01 pm

telecharge wrote:Well, I gave it the "old college try" as they say here in the U.S. No idea if anything will come from it, but I'm not very hopeful at this point.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3500198

I had a look at the thread. You don't come well out of it.

telecharge · Post by **telecharge** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 5:34 pm

1wob2many wrote:
I had a look at the thread. You don't come well out of it.

I won't let 1 person's opinion discourage me.

coolbass · Post by **coolbass** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:44 pm

telecharge wrote:
1wob2many wrote:
I had a look at the thread. You don't come well out of it.
I won't let 1 person's opinion discourage me.

Here is at least the 2nd one.

telecharge · Post by **telecharge** » Wed Oct 19, 2016 8:10 pm

coolbass wrote: Here is at least the 2nd one.

Oh well, I'll just take my lumps then.

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:44 am

Mystic wrote:
Jace-BeOS wrote:I mean more for the customer than the support department, but I imagine it's also going to be a PITA for them too, since they'll have to keep track of exactly what the customer has, beyond the already annoying three(?) versions of Sonar.
It's really not all that bad or complex. If figuring out what you're buying, what you have or what you need is too complex across 3 versions which are clearly spelled out on the website, you're in the wrong industry.

Core engine features differing from version to version? Meh... I'm not a fan of breaking a product down into as many marketing packages as possible. I'm cool with a pro and a lite version of things, but it gets kind of offensive when there are three or more levels of product variation, upgrade pricing, cut offs on upgrade eligibility, and then feature ala carte?? Again: meh.

As for all the rest of your comments... Yeah, I'm not happy with my experience with Cakewalk. I don't go out of my way to rant about it, but I participate when these threads come up (hopefully I come off as at least somewhat reasonable). I wish them well, but what I'm seeing from over here is rather not impressing me. I keep watching because I was with them a long time and I still have their synths on my Mac in some of my Logic projects. Hearing about the Mac port and the lifetime upgrades offer got my attention, but their site's inability to be clear on my price lost my attention almost immediately (related to the point above).

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