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parawave · Post by **parawave** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 3:49 pm

Soundplex wrote:Is Rapid able to change presets or banks via MIDI? Polyphonic Aftertouch is also a feature I'd like to see. What about setting the Mastertune for Note A oder C? Will it have wavetable generation methods similar to Serum? Am I able to export MIDI from the Arp as well? And what about voice-limiting, are there settings too?.

Program Change
No preset browsing via MIDI, but our preset browser is quite fast. The program change events are a bit outdated for modern plugin architectures. I think the Native Kontrol Standard (NKS) is better suited for these kind of operations and is planned for the next major update.

Mastertune
There is a settable semitone offset on the master page. For cent tuning, you better use your DAW specific plugin wrapper or pitch control.

MIDI
You can drag external MIDI files into the arpeggiator. The notes are saved within the presets. Export is possible by dragging MIDI notes from the arpeggiator display to your pianoroll or similar thing.

Wavetable Editor
Most of our wavetables are algorithmically generated. Our tool for that would be to complicated for end-users. The focus of RAPID is not to edit wavetables, but to work fast with given content. We ensure the quality is right so you don't have to bother. On the first look, dragging a wave into the Serum osciallor looks cool. But if you really listen close, the resuls sound very similiar most of the time. It's not comparable to a mathematically perfect FM or formant wavetable for example.

But you can be sure that the Factory Sounds offers a diverse selection of 250+ commonly needed shapes.

Voice Limit
Each layer can use up to 32 voices (each with 3 oscillators capable of 8x unison). You can limit the voicing for all layers separately in the respective voicing tab. It is also possible to adjust the mono legato glide factor for each layer. Or filter the incoming note events by MIDI channel number. There is also a key input filter. That means if you play a chord, let's say C-D#-G-A#, you can filter the notes so each layer plays one note at the time. It's very convienient if you want to play a 4 note chord, but want only one layer to play a -24 sub-bass sine on note C.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 3:54 pm

Just want to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying about the wavetable editor. So in other words, you can't import your own wavetables. Just what comes with the synth itself. Correct?

parawave · Post by **parawave** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:11 pm

wagtunes wrote:Just want to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying about the wavetable editor. So in other words, you can't import your own wavetables. Just what comes with the synth itself. Correct?

Yes, and I know some people will be upset about it. But since when has it become standard to deliver a fully fledged wavetable editor in every new synth? There is a difference between user imported wave resampling (aka Serum wavetables) and HQ generated wavetables. Load time and CPU, people forget that. Have you ever played long pad on Serum? Not very CPU friendly. I would like to show some 3 layer envolving spectral pads in RAPID, and compare the CPU side by side. But you will have to wait for it until release.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:18 pm

parawave wrote:
wagtunes wrote:Just want to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying about the wavetable editor. So in other words, you can't import your own wavetables. Just what comes with the synth itself. Correct?
Yes, and I know some people will be upset about it. But since when has it become standard to deliver a fully fledged wavetable editor in every new synth? There is a difference between user imported wave resampling (aka Serum wavetables) and HQ generated wavetables. Load time and CPU, people forget that. Have you ever played long pad on Serum? Not very CPU friendly. I would like to show some 3 layer envolving spectral pads in RAPID, and compare the CPU side by side. But you will have to wait for it until release.

Fair enough. It's not like I need yet another dedicated wavetable synth (I own 3 already) but just so I know. Also, I hope in the spirit of truth in advertising that you won't be promoting this as a wavetable synth because clearly that is not its main feature.

As I said earlier, I like the sound for what it is. I have plenty of synths that don't have anything other than basic oscillators and I'm perfectly fine with that. My purchase decision, at this point, will be based solely on the price and how it compares to comparable synths feature and sound wise. Going by the almost 100 synths that I own, I'd say $149 to $169 would be in the ball park given the sound and specs. I think if you sold it for less, you'd be selling yourself short.

Will wait patiently for a release date.

Wish you success with this one. It does sound good.

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:24 pm

Limitations boost creatitivity. Virus or Massive don't load wavetables either, still they are my most used wavetable synths. Generally, I prefer synths with reasonably limited fetaure set but tuned to sound good, and Rapid seems like it is going to be one of such synths. Apparently there is no even basic FM, but I can live with that. Ot it is there somewhere?

Does Raipd have macro knobs? How many? Does it has a wavetable with basic VA waveforms, saw/sine/pulse? You know, these simple waveforms are still useful for many sounds, and not only "basic" ones. What waveforms are available for LFOs? Is it possibble to tweak/warp the LFO waveforms in some way?

Soundplex · Post by **Soundplex** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:29 pm

parawave wrote:Yes, and I know some people will be upset about it. But since when has it become standard to deliver a fully fledged wavetable editor in every new synth? There is a difference between user imported wave resampling (aka Serum wavetables) and HQ generated wavetables. Load time and CPU, people forget that. Have you ever played long pad on Serum? Not very CPU friendly. I would like to show some 3 layer envolving spectral pads in RAPID, and compare the CPU side by side. But you will have to wait for it until release.

To me it indeed shrinks the need for Rapid.

But it is able to load user multi-samples, right? (Just to clarify because you wrote "Multi-Sample player", not editor and after I misunterstood the wavetable thing I just want to be sure).

parawave · Post by **parawave** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:41 pm

wagtunes wrote:Wish you success with this one. It does sound good.

Thanks.

recursive one wrote:Apparently there is no even basic FM, but I can live with that. Ot it is there somewhere?

Does Raipd have macro knobs? How many? Does it has a wavetable with basic VA waveforms, saw/sine/pulse? You know, these simple waveforms are still useful for many sounds, and not only "basic" ones. What waveforms are available for LFOs? Is it possibble to tweak/warp the LFO waveforms in some way?

If you look at the oscillators, there is a FX-Insert selector. There you can choose between:

PM = Phase Modulation
RM = Ring Modulation
PW = Pulsewidth Modulator (similiar but not exactly VA-PWM)
SYNC = Hard Syncronisation
TUBE = Tube Distortion
BEND = Phase Bend
CH = Chaos Phase

As PM is essentially very similiar to FM (just a small mathematical difference), it is there. No a very complex one, but each osciallator has one dedicated sine oscillator that modulates the phase. Individual settable pitch from -24 to +24, also keytracked, but indepentend from oscillator pitch.

You can blend between two selectable shapes. Phase bend and phase offset per shape are also available.

Edit:
Three macro controllers are on the top. They are renameable (layer tabs too). For a quick control of volume and filter, there are quick modifiers for amp envelope, filter envelope and filter (cutoff, resonance, depth).

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 4:49 pm

Soundplex wrote: But it is able to load user multi-samples, right? (Just to clarify because you wrote "Multi-Sample player", not editor and after I misunterstood the wavetable thing I just want to be sure).

That's something I'd like to see clarified too. I remember to read somewhere that Rapid can play sample maps. But what kind of sample maps, and how and where are they built? Is it SFZ files or something of the kind? Do it plays multi-layered sample maps, or just single layers?

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:05 pm

Thanks, Parawave! PM source can only be a sine wave?

The osicllators and LFOs seem pretty full featured

Love that LFO crossfade feature, on top of my head I can't remember any other synth doing exactly this.

For some reason (maybe because of the mention of multisamples) I thought that Rapid will be mostly a rompler with some so-so editing capabilities, mostly focused on layering samples, but now I see that it is a fully tweakable synth.

parawave · Post by **parawave** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:07 pm

fmr wrote:
Soundplex wrote: But it is able to load user multi-samples, right? (Just to clarify because you wrote "Multi-Sample player", not editor and after I misunterstood the wavetable thing I just want to be sure).
That's something I'd like to see clarified too. I remember to read somewhere that Rapid can play sample maps. But what kind of sample maps, and how and where are they built? Is it SFZ files or something of the kind? Do it plays multi-layered sample maps, or just single layers?

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I removed the "Player". We thought about SFZ and SoundFonts, and to be honest - Not the best formats for the job. There are enough SFZ players out there. Especially for quality assurance reasons it would be a bad thing. There is so much SFZ junk out there. And it's not even easy to implement it, so many unnecessary format specifications. In an ideal world, RAPID will get its own format/importer/converter. But again, that's a very complex feature. For the first major update we consider to simply start with importable oneshot samples. From there on we see how it works with the users. You may have seen other samplers, the typical zone and velocity managment is not a very user friendly feature. It is a bit against the philosophy of RAPID.

themerx · Post by **themerx** » Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:35 pm

Waiting for this synth!

bite_me · Post by **bite_me** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 6:55 am

recursive one wrote:
The osicllators and LFOs seem pretty full featured Love that LFO crossfade feature, on top of my head I can't remember any other synth doing exactly this.

FAW´s Circle2 does that

.jon · Post by **.jon** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 7:22 am

Don't forget the Dev Challenge! https://www.kvraudio.com/kvr-developer-challenge/2016/

Mirko R. · Post by **Mirko R.** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 2:27 pm

Someone asked for the 'Basic' wavetables. So I created all wavetables for the RAPID and I can show you some of them.

Basics 1 Saw, Square, Triangle, Sine

Basics 3 Analog oriented shapes. Triangle, Saw, Pulse

Saw Square 1 A mixture of Saws and Squares

PWM 1 A Basic digital PWM

PWM 3 Another kind of PWM

PWM Complex 3 More complex PWM

Phase Dist Triangle Triangle with Phase-Shaper

Steppy Saw Saw that gets bitcrushed

These wavetables are part of the basics wavetables and shure, there are a lot more basics. If you have any questions about that or if you want to see more,... let me know.

Greetz M.R.

Touch The Universe · Post by **Touch The Universe** » Sat Oct 08, 2016 3:17 pm

Cool. Can you expand any on how unison is implemented?

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