Best VST instrument for relaxation, Ambient, sounds

[ghettosynth]

In fact, the audio example I posted pages ago uses a bog standard phaser in Warmverb and to my ears it provided all that I wanted from a phaser.

There you go.

Well, of course!

LOL! Woosh!

The fact that you can buy and add sample based synths to complement the U-he synths (or any other non-sample synths) does not invalidate what I wrote in that quote!

The point is that the multi layer in Omni is nothing special. Of course Uhe doesn't have a sampler. Nobody is suggesting that. Can you really not follow the conversation?

[ghettosynth]

If you want to sound like a cliche in outdated DSP clothing, get Omni.

The hurt and resentment in this one is strong.

The insecurity in this one is strong.

[Daags]

[himalaya]

Well written wagtunes! Good points, clearly made!

[ghettosynth]

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[himalaya]

The OP started with the words..."relaxation, ambient..."

So here is some attempt to elevate this topic with those keywords.
Brian Eno - 'An Ending'. On a loop for one solid hour! Love it!

Take it away beautiful sounds with minimal reverb!

[ghettosynth]

As to your statement that Omnisphere's filters are old technology, I'll take your word for it. Still doesn't change my feelings on using the synth.

Nor should it. What is it with Omnisphere fans that they can't just butt the f**k out of a conversation that isn't for them. I commented on jancivil's post and sorry, that the filters are outdated is a fairly easy to discern fact, what's his name, in essence, confirmed it himself in one of these too long threads.

My advice to anyone doing ambient is to choose synths that are at the top of their game because synths will stand out in sparse settings. Choose effects that are the top of their game and choose a great sampler. There is absolutely no reason to stuff all of this into one half-ass compromise because with ambient, sound design is often half of the game.

[elassi]

The OP started with the words..."relaxation, ambient..."

No chance as soon as the 'Ghetto Lord' enters the scene (a thread, that is).

From that moment any debate turns into a fight. He can't help himself on that. So sad.

Enemy, enemy, enemy,
I just see my enemy,
Fight, fight, fight,
there's no other remedy.

(My first ever poem in English. Please give a warm applause.)

[wagtunes]

As to your statement that Omnisphere's filters are old technology, I'll take your word for it. Still doesn't change my feelings on using the synth.

Nor should it. What is it with Omnisphere fans that they can't just butt the f**k out of a conversation that isn't for them. I commented on jancivil's post and sorry, that the filters are outdated is a fairly easy to discern fact, what's his name, in essence, confirmed it himself in one of these too long threads.

My advice to anyone doing ambient is to choose synths that are at the top of their game because synths will stand out in sparse settings. Choose effects that are the top of their game and choose a great sampler. There is absolutely no reason to stuff all of this into one half-ass compromise because with ambient, sound design is often half of the game.

1. Sound design can't replace composition skills. Something a lot of people don't have.

2. Again, synths are not a requirement for doing ambient music. In fact, some of my best ambient music was done using pianos and sample libraries.

Now, you want a great synth for doing ambient music, even though I suspect the filter is mediocre at best? Aparillo. That thing just plain rocks and isn't hard to program never ending soundscapes. I think Sugar Bytes has a real winner with this one. I'll be turning to it a lot.

Point is, if a 0df filter is the main requirement for a synth in order to do ambient music, well, then we've eliminated what...99% of the synths out on the market?

People have been doing ambient music with soft synths long before the first 0df filter was ever made.

[ghettosynth]

The OP started with the words..."relaxation, ambient..."

No chance as soon as the 'Ghetto Lord' enters the scene (a thread, that is).

From that moment any debate turns into a fight. He can't help himself on that. So sad.

Enemy, enemy, enemy,
I just see my enemy,
Fight, fight, fight,
there's no other remedy.

(My first ever poem in English. Please give a warm applause.)

You owe everyone an irony meter.

[elassi]

The OP started with the words..."relaxation, ambient..."

No chance as soon as the 'Ghetto Lord' enters the scene (a thread, that is).

From that moment any debate turns into a fight. He can't help himself on that. So sad.

Enemy, enemy, enemy,
I just see my enemy,
Fight, fight, fight,
there's no other remedy.

(My first ever poem in English. Please give a warm applause.)

You owe everyone an irony meter.

I better rethink the metrics and do some other tweaks.

Enemy, enemy, enemy,
there is no other remedy
than fight, fight, fight,
(because I'm)
right, right, right!

What you think?

___
edit: further refinements... not a native speaker.

[Frantz]

I am still unclear what the best plugin is for relaxation and ambient sounds.

But I know what the best thread is for aggravation and the sound of arguing. This is it!

[ghettosynth]

As to your statement that Omnisphere's filters are old technology, I'll take your word for it. Still doesn't change my feelings on using the synth.

Nor should it. What is it with Omnisphere fans that they can't just butt the f**k out of a conversation that isn't for them. I commented on jancivil's post and sorry, that the filters are outdated is a fairly easy to discern fact, what's his name, in essence, confirmed it himself in one of these too long threads.

My advice to anyone doing ambient is to choose synths that are at the top of their game because synths will stand out in sparse settings. Choose effects that are the top of their game and choose a great sampler. There is absolutely no reason to stuff all of this into one half-ass compromise because with ambient, sound design is often half of the game.

1. Sound design can't replace composition skills. Something a lot of people don't have.

Nobody said that they could, you've set up a false dichotomy. Moreover, who is anyone here to tell anyone else how they should create music? Whether you like it or not, anyone can choose to exercise as much freedom that they want to in any dimension, sound design, composition, performance, whatever. It's not for you to decide, it's between the producer and his listener.

In fact, you can go further than that. There are entire subgenres that eschew any kind of discernable "music" composition. Just because that's not your cup of tea does not mean that it "can't be done." Even Eno's sense of composition is often generative and decidedly removed from any sort of intentional linear process.

2. Again, synths are not a requirement for doing ambient music. In fact, some of my best ambient music was done using pianos and sample libraries.

Never said that they were, but, if you are recommending Omni then you're recommending a synth AND the OP is asking for synths. You can't skate out of it by now saying that they're not necessary, you aren't telling anyone anything that they don't already know.

People have been doing ambient music with soft synths long before the first 0df filter was ever made.

Yes, they used analog synths when they wanted to exploit a good filter. In any case, that's not a counterargument to anything that I'm talking about.

[ghettosynth]

I am still unclear what the best plugin is for relaxation and ambient sounds.

But I know what the best thread is for aggravation and the sound of arguing. This is it!

No, this is tame. Just look for any thread with Omnisphere and someone saying that it's not really that great.

[wagtunes]

@ghetto

I'm only going to take exception with one thing you've said. The rest, I won't argue. And you're right, if someone is asking for a synth, then that's what the discussion should be about.

I take exception to what you said about my "telling" people what kind of music they should make. First of all, I never said anything like that. I simply made a remark that not everybody has composition skills. But no, you don't need to be a composer to make ambient music. Eno's stuff was pretty much out there.

But what I take exception to is this. While at the same time telling me that people can do whatever they want, as far as how they make their ambient music (no argument from me on that) at the same time (and please don't make me find the exact quote) you essentially said that if one uses Omni they will sound like a cliche'd joke.

First of all, that's just YOUR opinion and not fact. Fact would be the kind of filters that Omni has. That can't be disputed. They are what they are. Even I'm not in love with them. But Omni making you sound like a cliche'd joke is opinion, not fact.

You can't on the one hand say that a person can use whatever they want in order to make ambient music and then on the other hand call somebody a joke if they use Omnisphere. As somebody who has been making music for, now, over 40 years, I take offense to that. Again, it's not the instrument. it's the musician. And that's something I will argue with you or anyone until they bury me. Anything else, I'll concede to you. But not that.

TLDR - You can use Omni and make good music.