KVR Audio

Frantz · Post by **Frantz** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:57 am

The Integra-7 has 5 envelope levels according to the manual: 0 - 4:

While JV-2080 has only 4 envelope levels: 1 - 4.

So that would account for the difference between the sounds.

It is further proof that the synth engines are not identical since they modified the filter envelope structure.

gentleclockdivider · Post by **gentleclockdivider** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:03 am

Frantz wrote:
gentleclockdivider wrote:If you copied my settings ,how come you have an upward rising filter envelope ?
Yes , not a typo
Time 1 = 0 meaning instanttly go to level 1 = 127
time 2 = 92 ( this is the decaying part ) which goes from level 1 to level 2 = 0
Just like the good old dx envelopes
This is what I did. Is that identical to yours?

I see now , the integra has 5 levels , going from 0---->4
So .we have to adjust
You should change your settings to
first level to :127
second level : 0
leave the rest .
Maybe Roland did update the pcm filters

Frantz · Post by **Frantz** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:19 am

gentleclockdivider wrote: Maybe Roland did update the pcm filters

Yes, they did.

Just to complete this exercise, I made the adjustment and put our recordings together:

http://slamfrog.com/FragileGods/Integra7_SweepDown.wav
http://slamfrog.com/FragileGods/JV2080_SweepDown.wav

You can hear how the Integra7 is more full-bodied including bass frequencies. The JV-2080 is thin and trebly.

In case someone wants to recreate this sound on the virtual JV-1080, here are the final settings for the JV2080_SweepDown.wav patch. I started from the Init patch and changed some values on these 3 screens:

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:33 am

Frantz wrote:
gentleclockdivider wrote: Maybe Roland did update the pcm filters
Yes, they did.

Just to complete this exercise, I made the adjustment and put our recordings together:

http://slamfrog.com/FragileGods/Integra7_SweepDown.wav
http://slamfrog.com/FragileGods/JV2080_SweepDown.wav

You can hear how the Integra7 is more full-bodied including bass frequencies. The JV-2080 is thin and trebly.

Great, now we just have to add the virtual JV-1080 to the picture

Frantz · Post by **Frantz** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:39 am

fmr wrote: Great, now we just have to add the virtual JV-1080 to the picture

Hopefully, they used the newer filters for the virtual JV-1080 and are only calling it JV-1080 because it has more name recognition.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:43 am

Frantz wrote:The Integra-7 has 5 envelope levels according to the manual: 0 - 4:

While JV-2080 has only 4 envelope levels: 1 - 4.

So that would account for the difference between the sounds.

It is further proof that the synth engines are not identical since they modified the filter envelope structure.

In the JV-1080 plugin the filter has 5 levels from Level 0 to Level 4.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:07 am

Frantz wrote: Yes, they did.

Just to complete this exercise, I made the adjustment and put our recordings together:

http://slamfrog.com/FragileGods/Integra7_SweepDown.wav
http://slamfrog.com/FragileGods/JV2080_SweepDown.wav

You can hear how the Integra7 is more full-bodied including bass frequencies. The JV-2080 is thin and trebly.

In case someone wants to recreate this sound on the virtual JV-1080, here are the final settings for the JV2080_SweepDown.wav patch. I started from the Init patch and changed some values on these 3 screens:

I had just recreated this with the JV-1080 plugin (using the settings from the screenshots posted above) and rendered this audio demo:
JV-1080 plugin_SweepDown

Sounds very close to the Integra-7 example for me.

FWIW i did alraedy mention that the JV-1080 plugin might sound cleaner and/or "better" than the original hardware. On the other hand the examples posted above did not include the JV-1080 hardware while the JV-2080 should be close enough.

Last week i created a resonant sweep pad with the JV-1080 plugin and it it sounded really good for me. Will maybe post a demo of that soon.

Frantz · Post by **Frantz** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:31 am

Ingonator wrote: Sounds very close to the Integra-7 example for me.

FWIW i did alraedy mention that the JV-1080 plugin might sound cleaner and/or "better" than the original hardware. On the other hand the examples posted above did not include the JV-1080 hardware while the JV-2080 should be close enough.

Thanks Ingo! I agree the plugin is close to the Integra-7. The plugin is really a modern Roland rompler rather than an exact emulation of the JV-1080. And that's good news because it sounds like it has decent resonant filters.

izonin · Post by **izonin** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:26 am

Thanks Frantz and Ingo for posting the audio files! Could it be that the JV-2080 sweep sounds so dull and muffled due to the lack of internal filter oversampling? Anyway, the emulation sounded the most clean and pristine of the bunch.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:53 am

Had a closer look at the Integra-7 manual now. The 1083 PCM waveforms correspond to the INT waveform bank in Integra-7 and the parameters of the PCM engine there are more or less identical to those in the JV-1080 plugin too.
The MFX effects in Integra-7 do not fit exactly while the 78 FXs in the Fantom X6 do fit exactly to those found in the JV-1080 plugin.

You can check the Integra-7 PCM engine parameters and MFX effects here:
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/ ... _e01_W.pdf

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:58 am

Frantz wrote: Thanks Ingo! I agree the plugin is close to the Integra-7. The plugin is really a modern Roland rompler rather than an exact emulation of the JV-1080. And that's good news because it sounds like it has decent resonant filters.

If it sounds closer to an Integra-7 than to a real JV-1080 it is even better for me. Some people might complain that this is no proper emulation but i like the plugin as it is...

UPDATE:
I got a similar feeling with the JV-1080 plugin, D-50 plugin and also the new Arturia DX7 V plugin. While all 3 could be used in a simlar way as the corresponding hardware synths they offer advanced features and sound wise seem to be superior to the original hardware synths.
In terms of features both the JV-1080 plugin and DX7 V could go far beyond the original synths while in the JV-1080 plugin this is not reflected in the factory presets yet that do not use the advanced features except an improved overall sound quality.

Frantz · Post by **Frantz** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:46 am

izonin wrote:Thanks Frantz and Ingo for posting the audio files! Could it be that the JV-2080 sweep sounds so dull and muffled due to the lack of internal filter oversampling? Anyway, the emulation sounded the most clean and pristine of the bunch.

I am not a DSP expert but I can't imagine the old JV-2080 CPU was fast enough to do oversampling. I think they did the best they could at the time with the limited processing power that was available.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:20 pm

After a lot of comparisons with different Roland ROMplers (and now finding the filter sounds close to that in Integra-7) I more and more get the impression that they could have called the plugin "XV-3080" without problems and still the plugin would include advanced features compared to the hardware (at least in the FX section).
Independent of the FX section and performance mode the JV-1080 plugin includes all parameters of the XV-3080 synth engine.

As noticed with the audio demos posted above the quality of the Lowpass filter in the JV-1080 plugin even seems to be very close to the Integra-7.

fwsuperhero · Post by **fwsuperhero** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:29 pm

Ingonator wrote:
Frantz wrote: Thanks Ingo! I agree the plugin is close to the Integra-7. The plugin is really a modern Roland rompler rather than an exact emulation of the JV-1080. And that's good news because it sounds like it has decent resonant filters.
If it sounds closer to an Integra-7 than to a real JV-1080 it is even better for me. Some people might complain that this is no proper emulation but i like the plugin as it is...

UPDATE:
I got a similar feeling with the JV-1080 plugin, D-50 plugin and also the new Arturia DX7 V plugin. While all 3 could be used in a simlar way as the corresponding hardware synths they offer advanced features and sound wise seem to be superior to the original hardware synths.
In terms of features both the JV-1080 plugin and DX7 V could go far beyond the original synths while in the JV-1080 plugin this is not reflected in the factory presets yet that do not use the advanced features except an improved overall sound quality.

Hi, can you tell me more about Arturia DX 7 new functions?
I stopped invest to the DX simulator when i got my volca fm. Thanks

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:37 pm

fwsuperhero wrote: Hi, can you tell me more about Arturia DX 7 new functions?
I stopped invest to the DX simulator when i got my volca fm. Thanks

Besides the usual sources (https://www.arturia.com/products/dx7-v/overview) you can read about it in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=495924

Beware that you have many pages to look for.

Roland JV-1080 finally, as virtual instrument!