Avoid Analog Obsession at all costs!

[thecontrolcentre]

Save the drama for your momma.
We're talking about free plugins here people, a lot different then the picture you're painting from the past.
Seems pretty generous to me.

Dr Zeus, account opened 1 hour ago. Just happens to wander in here to quiet the thread down pretending to be a casual user. Just as I'm talking about fake accounts. Hilarious.

He got banned pretty quick too. Presumably another sock puppet account.

[Teksonik]

With the myriad of plugins available why would anyone mess with these plugins or this developer ? I suggest those who are defending him to go back and research his whole story.

Just not worth the drama in my opinion.

[vurt]

can i just add for balance.

[Kongru]

can i just add for balance.

[vurt]

dammit! that was genius!!! now lost forevrr...

[filulilu]

I don't even see that what Burillo or boydell200 wrote are necessarily exclusive, unless the "SPICE-schematic-to-plugin conversion process" described is unfathomably easy, which I doubt.

Should it really matter what toolkit is used to develop the plugins? Does it make them unreasonably CPU heavy? Does it make them sound bad? Or diminish the usability of their interfaces? Those are the questions that should matter. Everyone here can answer those on their own, since they are free to download and play with.

This is correct but the quantity that AO produces make me suspicious. This doesn't prove anything by itself. I wonder though why other one person companies like Klanghelm, Valhalla or Cytomic have so much smaller catalogs? Even big companies don't produce so many plugins in such a small time.
At the end the proof is always in the pudding of course.

[teilo]

This is correct but the quantity that AO produces make me suspicious. This doesn't prove anything by itself. I wonder though why other one person companies like Klanghelm, Valhalla or Cytomic have so much smaller catalogs? Even big companies don't produce so many plugins in such a small time.
At the end the proof is always in the pudding of course.

Either the plugins work and are great, or they don't and aren't. Since said plugins are given away, and nearly everyone agrees they are great, what, exactly is suspicious? This argument is just silly.

Also, ever heard of Chris from AirWindows? He's got AO beat on productivity.

[Jorgeelalto]

I don't even see that what Burillo or boydell200 wrote are necessarily exclusive, unless the "SPICE-schematic-to-plugin conversion process" described is unfathomably easy, which I doubt.

Should it really matter what toolkit is used to develop the plugins? Does it make them unreasonably CPU heavy? Does it make them sound bad? Or diminish the usability of their interfaces? Those are the questions that should matter. Everyone here can answer those on their own, since they are free to download and play with.

This is correct but the quantity that AO produces make me suspicious. This doesn't prove anything by itself. I wonder though why other one person companies like Klanghelm, Valhalla or Cytomic have so much smaller catalogs? Even big companies don't produce so many plugins in such a small time.
At the end the proof is always in the pudding of course.

You can spend longer in a software project by not doing testing, taking modules or parts of the code that already exist from another project, and in the case of audio plugins, not really calibrating every control so that it works perfectly in relationship with other controls.

Reducing the testing phase helps a lot, because you can just fix the bugs as your users report them. Reusing code is probably something he does too (not bad though), because the GUI framework and most of the code can just be copied and pasted, duplicated and adapted for each plugin. Then you change the audio engine with the SPICE thing (which I guess exports some kind of C++ library you can use, or something like that), and there you go.

The calibration thing is very true, too, and it's something I've seen in low cost plugins plenty of times. This includes ranges that don't make much sense or are not very musical, parameter sliding behaviour that doesn't really feel quite right, and overall not a perfect UX, it feels sort of "rough". Believe me that you can tell from using plugins with great, carefully made UX when you get to a lower cost ones (or badly made ones).

I'm not sure about AO being the case with all three things, but I can definitely mention some developers that sacrifice things like this for a lower price.

[filulilu]

Either the plugins work and are great, or they don't and aren't. Since said plugins are given away, and nearly everyone agrees they are great, what, exactly is suspicious? This argument is just silly.

Also, ever heard of Chris from AirWindows? He's got AO beat on productivity.

I was referring to what was mentioned above "The amount of time and money this guy must have spent obtaining the gear, researching, modelling, testing, drawing etc etc... " and it doesn't seem that much time was spent.
Now that they are free many people think that they are great but when they were payed for many people thought that they were problematic (weird huh?)
Chris is a different case. He develops plugins for a long time. Many of the ones he gives now with patreon are older plugins brought up to date. Many others are extremely simple. Clever but simple. I cannot compare a low pass filter based on a digital trick that has a special sound to an analog circuit emulation. And finally Chris's plugins have no GUI.

[ccDuckett]

I noticed AO a while ago, and I'll admit- the sheer number of offerings within a short amount of time made me wary. Though I'm a freeware hoarder from way back, I got the same sort of funny vibe I got from Syncersoft stuff, and have stayed away... I didn't know it was even possible to SPICE-to-code (some sort of OOP environment like Flowstone?), but that makes a lot of sense.

Some are great at coding and bad at humans, but I'm not seeing that flavor of DSP-boffinry evidenced here- just an attempt to appear a DSP boffin.

[TIMT]

The EQ part of his stuff seems to be legit.they have a phase response i'd kind of expect from outboard EQ's,but the input stages e.g transformers,line amps stuff like that,it sounds and looks like just clipping to me(not even oversampled or his oversampling is broken).don't hear any impedance type effects as is what you'd expect from the stuff he modelled.they are all relatively linear and don't seem to tip the harmonics with the EQ adjustments.the EQ adjustments (lets call it first harmonic) and the rest of the series follow suit which is what you would expect from a typical digital soft/hard clipper.even op amps and transistors do screwy things to the added harmonics at certain frequencies when you start deviating away from a linear spectrum

Make of that what you will

[jochicago]

I'm not spinning anything to thread a narrative. I'm answering a question for people who see a bunch of free plugins and are wondering what's the catch. You however seem to be very interested in spinning.

From my perspective, you seem to have taken something personally.

I see that you feel that way but I certainly have no personal investment in this at all. I don't use AO plugins, and if anything I was hoping Tunca was going to get his act together. I even commented on his thread back then to encourage him to not give up and move to some simpler model so he could focus on getting the development right and forgo dealing with the business side that has been his biggest problem all along. It's nice that he landed at the Patreon model and that seems to be working, but this dude being who he is, I'll just quietly wait for the next controversy anyway because it's for sure coming.

I think you are projecting your own feelings onto my comments. My intention is to shed light on things for the rest of the community. These threads stay here for years. In the case of AO plugins, I think people new to this should at least get the links to the other threads and make up their own minds. Bare minimum run your antivirus on anything you download, and be aware to keep copies of the plugins that are working because the versions change with the seasons. And people should be aware that any positive comment they see from an account with 5 posts is probably just Tunca again cheating the system to give himself unearned positive reviews.

I'm sure knowing his fake accounts and ways, can't feel good about defending him, but you do it anyway. I think you are generous and also misguided. But like I said, I really don't have an emotional investment in this at all, however I don't need to be emotionally invested to raise a warning for a fellow music maker. Next time someone asks what's the story with AO plugins, I'll be happy to tell it again and point to these threads. And I will try to do so objectively and accurately, I'll be sure to mention next time that only all of the Windows plugins were infected with malware, but none of the Mac ones. I hope you will approve of that statement.

[Jafo]

Myself, I'm more interested in the spice-to-vst conversion, and would like to hear more.

[ElevateAudio]

I see that you feel that way but I certainly have no personal investment in this at all. I don't use AO plugins, and if anything I was hoping Tunca was going to get his act together. I even commented on his thread back then to encourage him to not give up and move to some simpler model so he could focus on getting the development right and forgo dealing with the business side that has been his biggest problem all along. It's nice that he landed at the Patreon model and that seems to be working, but this dude being who he is, I'll just quietly wait for the next controversy anyway because it's for sure coming.

I think you are projecting your own feelings onto my comments. My intention is to shed light on things for the rest of the community. These threads stay here for years. In the case of AO plugins, I think people new to this should at least get the links to the other threads and make up their own minds. Bare minimum run your antivirus on anything you download, and be aware to keep copies of the plugins that are working because the versions change with the seasons. And people should be aware that any positive comment they see from an account with 5 posts is probably just Tunca again cheating the system to give himself unearned positive reviews.

I'm sure knowing his fake accounts and ways, can't feel good about defending him, but you do it anyway. I think you are generous and also misguided. But like I said, I really don't have an emotional investment in this at all, however I don't need to be emotionally invested to raise a warning for a fellow music maker. Next time someone asks what's the story with AO plugins, I'll be happy to tell it again and point to these threads. And I will try to do so objectively and accurately, I'll be sure to mention next time that only all of the Windows plugins were infected with malware, but none of the Mac ones. I hope you will approve of that statement.

You're making an awful lot of assumptions. Try assuming less.

[kidslow]

It's nice that he landed at the Patreon model and that seems to be working, but this dude being who he is, I'll just quietly wait for the next controversy anyway because it's for sure coming.

I think you are projecting your own feelings onto my comments. My intention is to shed light on things for the rest of the community.

Have you ever met Tunca? How can you say "this dude being who he is?" I mean how do you know who he is? You keep painting with broad brushstrokes and casting aspersions without even seemingly realizing it. No wonder you're so cynical.

Put up or shut up that Tunca is using sock puppet accounts. The dude has a very unique communication style, so I'm not buying it. Should be easy enough for the mods to prove and ban him from the site, why has that not happened?

Yes I am personally invested, in as much as I've made an evaluation of someone's sincerity and would like to believe I am right. Why do I need to project any emotionality on to you. I own my subjectivity. We all are subjective. What's your excuse? If you were not in some way personally or emotionally invested, you would move on and let your words stand instead of continuing to come back and repeat them ad nauseum. Right? That's work. You don't need my approval, you need an honest self-assessement imho.