Waves - What can we do?

[Forgotten]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_manipulation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_pricing

these both apply to waves.

Market manipulation??? Waves does not trade securities or commodities or trade currencies!

The second one is going to be damn hard to prove in any way as no one sells exactly the same product, so good luck in getting that one heard in court.

[Ploki]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_manipulation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_pricing

these both apply to waves.

Market manipulation??? Waves does not trade securities or commodities or trade currencies!

The second one is going to be damn hard to prove in any way as no one sells exactly the same product, so good luck in getting that one heard in court.

Market manipulation is a type of market abuse where there is a deliberate attempt to interfere with the free and fair operation of the market and create artificial, false or misleading appearances with respect to the price of, or market for, a product, security, commodity or currency.

big companies have a way to be on the legal side of shady practices, that's why they're not the mafia...

but i really don't get the defence in favour of waves here.
Driving plugin price to the ground will hurt more boutique developers and market competition and consumer in the long run.

that's why waves could afford 8000$ bundle when plugin market didn't exist.
Now they can't, because they're not worth 8000$. So by flooding the market with cheap plugs they're essentially again trying to create a monopoly, and they're doing so by aggressive fake "sales" and other shady tactics.

[KenjiDeVries]

but i really don't get the defence in favour of waves here.
Driving plugin price to the ground will hurt more boutique developers and market competition and consumer in the long run.

Still people are happy to see free plugins or to buy cheap. Meldaproduction would come to my mind there too by copying plugins and selling them for dumping prices.

[ramseysounds]

If people don't like how Waves do business, just vote with your wallet and keep it shut. But better be careful what I say, too many people getting upset with common sense

get with the times granddaddio, we use our phones to pay for things now, who's using analogue wallets in 2020? pfft!

what is this phone thing you mention? Will Waves not accept groats any more from the silk purse tied to the inside of my leather coat?

[Forgotten]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_manipulation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predatory_pricing

these both apply to waves.

Market manipulation??? Waves does not trade securities or commodities or trade currencies!

The second one is going to be damn hard to prove in any way as no one sells exactly the same product, so good luck in getting that one heard in court.

Market manipulation is a type of market abuse where there is a deliberate attempt to interfere with the free and fair operation of the market and create artificial, false or misleading appearances with respect to the price of, or market for, a product, security, commodity or currency.

Dude, market manipulation is something that potentially impacts a market in the economic sense of a market, not some itty bitty sub-category of market!

The article you posted explicitly mentions that this is regulated by bodies that regulate securities! I’d love to see the look on their face if you tried to take this to the SEC!

[Ploki]

Still people are happy to see free plugins or to buy cheap. Meldaproduction would come to my mind there too by copying plugins and selling them for dumping prices.

true. i don't buy melda either.

Dude, market manipulation is something that potentially impacts a market in the economic sense of a market, not some itty bitty sub-category of market!

The article you posted explicitly mentions that this is regulated by bodies that regulate securities! I’d love to see the look on their face if you tried to take this to the SEC!

are you deliberately missing my point?
let me ask this way: You believe that waves are an great example of non-misleading good business practice company?
If you don, then more power to you, if you don't, stop missing my point.

[Forgotten]

Well what is your point? You posted supposed examples of laws that Waves has broken, but one turned out to be laws designed to regulate economic markets at the macroeconomic level.

You’re now asking a loaded question rather than engage in further dialog.

If you don’t present a coherent argument, I can’t understand whatever point you are trying to make. I get that you don’t like Waves, but you haven’t been able to articulate reasons behind the accusation of breaking the law with any success.

[Ploki]

If you don’t present a coherent argument, I can’t understand whatever point you are trying to make. I get that you don’t like Waves, but you haven’t been able to articulate reasons behind the accusation of breaking the law with any success.

i didn't say they're breaking the law, i said they're participating in business practices extremely similar to those that are. they may (or may not) be walking the fine line but imo it's still ethically questionable...
by having such prices they are indeed affecting the macroeconomics of plugin market tho...

[Greybox Audio]

I'm out.

[ramseysounds]

I'm out, see you in July

You cant go anywhere; you started this shitstorm
Stick around, I wanna see why Ploki thinks Waves caused the financial crashes of 1929 and 2008

[Forgotten]

i didn't say they're breaking the law, i said they're participating in business practices extremely similar to those that are.

Actually you said:

imposing artificial limits on resources that are unlimited by every sense of the term is essentially a form of market manipulation, which is prohibited in most of the developed world.

“a form of” is not usually interpreted to mean the same as “extremely similar to”. “a form of” is inclusive, and “extremely similar to” by your definition seems to imply a level of difference in that it cannot be interpreted to be the same in any functional way.

by having such prices they are indeed affecting the macroeconomics of plugin market tho...

By definition there is no such thing as macroeconomics of any market segment, especially a tiny one like this.

[AnX]

is someone complaining that something is too cheap?

[Forgotten]

is someone complaining that something is too cheap?

Basically...yes.

[AnX]

is someone complaining that something is too cheap?

Basically...yes.

aw bless

[elxsound]

Well, as entertaining as it all is... It’s a very good question, about what impact if any, their pricing model will have, especially with independent developers.

It’s not that important if you think Waves makes the best software.

But, if you’ve liked any software made by just about any other developer, then its good to ask what if this will stifle any looking to jump into the market where they have to compete by selling at such a low price point.

There’s still the other side of things, where maybe Waves software and Waves alone is actually worth what their sale prices offer. This is my opinion of their work... I would never pay more than their sales price because I just don’t think its worth it.

I know I’m still okay paying more to Fabfilter for their work, but how do others feel comparing using Waves to using and paying more for something like Fabfilter or even some of the creative gems from Zynaptic?