Kilohearts Updates the Entire Kilohearts Ecosystem to v2 - Including Phase Plant

[WasteLand]

Is MPE-Support limited to MPE-Timbre only?

Am I correct that MPE-Pitch isn't supported in the actual version Phase Plant 2.0?

If so, are there any plans to implement MPE-Pitch in the future?

Pressure and Pitch are supported, as are strike and release (Velocity Modulator). no pitchbend as modulation source, but set the bend range 48, well that is the normal pitchbend for MPE.

EDIT: pitchbend or GLide as modulation source can be certainly interesting, of course, but not a lot of MPE soft synths have it..

[dionenoid]

And of course the freeloaders are in the majority here, who think it's all great, but that´s not! And just because software doesn't have a physical appearance doesn't mean it's worthless - and the loss of value is real! In my case, $400 for the (old) Ultimate toolbox that I bought to be able to use Phaseplant without restrictions.

Ultimate also included the Premium plugins, which still cost money (320$ when bought seperately). So you paid 400 bucks total for Phaseplant, Multipass and 320 bucks worth of plugins.

I also paid much money for their whole collection. But i got to use it for many years already, in fact much longer than most plugins last, without having to pay for updates.

[GeneralQ]

I do understand that some people may be a bit upset. But in the long run I think this is a pretty good move and will be beneficial for kilohearts.
I just bought Phaseplant because now with the essential plugins included I think Phaseplant is a really good deal. With the old model it always felt a little weird that you have to pay extra to get a comb or a ladder filter which every other synth shipped with by default.

[rezoneight]

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So you are saying these plugins are useless ? Do you even own PP ? Do you even use them ?

And I am not against paying for updates if they are worth it. But ONLY if they are worth it.

But you crack on trying to convince me otherwise, believe me, it won't happen.

Boy forget it... you cannot even read properly... this is like discussing quantum physics with a donkey... have a good life and don´t forget: keep excusing yourself properly for all the hate you love to carry in you that it´s always the fault of the others... it´s never you!

No, I am not speaking of myself... just to clarify it for you because you seem to have problems with understanding!

Wow, catching feelings much ?

But as I said before, you matter nothing to me , nor does your opinion. There's no hate in me, only for arrogant ****'s like you that try so hard to not understand other peoples opinions and your's is gospel and you try to ram it down their throat.

A few on here suffer that problem. Crack on junior, this is going no where.

Jesus f'ing Christ man grow up already and drop it. You say his opinion doesnt matter to you yet you keep responding. Clearly it means something.

[jinotsuh]

Obviously, there is nothing more to earn from the old customers - they are useless now, after they have financed the whole "fun" and made it possible with their money in the first place. Now the fruits of the mutual relationship between the paying customers and the company are simply distributed to all in a socialist manner - and woe betide one of the cashcows complaining about it! *** Stop whining, we want to be able to enjoy our undeserved booty! Shut up! ***

And of course the freeloaders are in the majority here, who think it's all great, but that´s not! And just because software doesn't have a physical appearance doesn't mean it's worthless - and the loss of value is real! In my case, $400 for the (old) Ultimate toolbox that I bought to be able to use Phaseplant without restrictions. For many, this is not just about a plugin or two, but about the equivalent of a good computer monitor (or similar).

And if someone would buy for example a monitor for $400, which is given away for free to everyone a short time later, who wouldn't see the disadvantage - and understand that this can't be fair? And how arrogant and unsympathetic must one be, if one explains to the disadvantaged person with moral self-exaltation that he has not experienced any disadvantage, because after all he can use the monitor ...

The understanding for social relationships and the needs of other people (for equality and fairness) seems to be really not present at all with some people. No wonder if the world is going crazy ...

I wouldn't mind if two or three more plugins were added to the previously free plugins. Everyone is welcome to that. But not all 30 Snappins, which used to cost a lot of money (especially if you bought them individually)! No, this "gift" is out of all proportion and, in my opinion, even goes against common decency!

I have bought plugins and other software so far in the belief that by paying the full price I was also contributing something to the preservation of a company (and its jobs) and to the development of future products. In return, I was granted the "exclusive" right to use the products. A reciprocal relationship. But if the products can now be used by anyone for free, the value for the money paid is lost. And it consists not only in being able to use the product, but in being able to use it exclusively - Just like you don't let a stranger ride a paid cab for free just because he happen to be headed in the same direction!

Most people who disagree with the procedure by Kilohearts will not post here on the forum, but they will vote with the purse.

We will see if Kilohearts will do better with the "new customers" than with such "idiots" as me, who thought they were getting value for their money, such as exclusive rights. Anyway, I'm out forever! Kilohearts will not earn another Krona“ from me. Those who do not follow the socially common rules and disregard mutual relationships do not deserve trust or support.

The Phaseplant is also only one synth of many - and there are much better ones that remain worth their money!

[Fleer]

Snap out of it

[dune_rave]

Hey, this topic started to become boring. Why not post about the new features? which new modulator is your favorite etc...
this is not the stock market where all is about money.
why not post some music made with the new version?
With this v2 I just realized MassiveX has its own "LFO Table" but their implementation is poor compared to the one in phase plant...
Is there anyone who also think phase plant needs a sequencer/arpeggiator like pigments?
I think i've heard in a youtube video that a granular engine will be an addition in the future, what do you think about this?

[jinotsuh]

I have no idea what you are talking about, I'm just here for the burgers, chips, and beers.

and the FREE stuff, I heard there was FREE stuff

[Biome_Digital]

Hey, this topic started to become boring. Why not post about the new features? which new modulator is your favorite etc...
this is not the stock market where all is about money.
why not post some music made with the new version?
With this v2 I just realized MassiveX has its own "LFO Table" but their implementation is poor compared to the one in phase plant...
Is there anyone who also think phase plant needs a sequencer/arpeggiator like pigments?
I think i've heard in a youtube video that a granular engine will be an addition in the future, what do you think about this?

I believe granular is coming and a proper sequencer is really needed too.

[Shifrin]

Pretty sure the Kilohearts guys ruled out a conventional sequencer/arpeggiator in their discord. IIRC they believe the plugin host is better suited to such things..

[OllieBoi]

What I don't get is why people like you, think that what you say is right.

What cost a lot of money is now free. They cannot be re-sold , so apart from a few of the things, the effects are now worthless in terms of recouping money spent should I decide to get rid.

But don't let that stop you trying to be so morally superior.

Oh my god, do you realize that you sound like a sniveling, whiny, disgruntled boob? I know it's hard for you, but try to be pleased for people who are just now getting hip to Phaseplant but probably wouldn't purchase it if they had to pay for all of the Snapins and $199 for the synth itself (instead of the current $99 sale price).

This is a great thing for a lot of people who are just starting out. Be happy for them.

[Biome_Digital]

Pretty sure the Kilohearts guys ruled out a conventional sequencer/arpeggiator in their discord. IIRC they believe the plugin host is better suited to such things..

Well that's a shame, I disagree a plugin arp is better, as you cannot save it in presets. A proper ARP and sequencer like Avenger or Dune would open up Phase plant to a whole load of new sounds. IMO, it's really needed, along with Granular.

[SLiC]

Here is some pseudo PP Granular whilst you wait..

[SLiC]

PP should have had native FX in it, and then the option to buy the FX for external use, with MP or SH etc.

I suspect the problem was PP came quite a while 'after' the fx were being sold separately for snapheap and multipass etc. I agree however a synths without including decent Fx was very off putting (especially when you have super powerful synths like Viper for free...) and it was only super cheap sales and bundles that got me in...

Hopefully they have got it right now (possibly due to the negative feedback on the lack of included fx in PP) and we will still see cheap add on fx modules in the future adding to the base that now everyone will have.

[EnGee]

I agree however a synths without including decent Fx was very off putting (especially when you have super powerful synths like Viper for free...) and it was only super cheap sales and bundles that got me in...

You mean 'Vital' not Viper?

I also agree! They should manage selling Phase Plant with all the essential plugs (natively or not). It was odd to sell it 'raw'! Most of the 'big' synths include a big list of effects and filters nowadays!