Strymon Big Sky Plugin

[vurt]

just in a pedal, the dry signal doesn't do ad/da it's just straight through, only the wet is converted.

If we're talking about digital reverb effect pedals then it depends. My Digitech RV7 does ad/da convert the dry signal. TC Electronic Hall of Fame (as an example) has analog-dry-through, doesn't convert dry to digital and back.

well yes there are indeed pedals that don't have a true dry signal, but as it's the strymon plug in thread, i was thinking of the strymon pedal

[Modular Manfred]

Well people were saying the Virus hardware sounded different than the Virus software...

But that is not comparable to Manfred's brainfart. Manfred said the plugin sounds better than another plugin because hardware.

No I didn’t. I’ve explained this to you in 2 posts already.

[jens]

Let me correct you once again. I said Strymon plugin is spot on with the pedal. .

My point exactly - you didn't correct me, you corrected yourself.

If the plugin sounds identical to the hardware, then the hardware is irrelevant. But you brought up the hardware as an argument why the Big Sky plugin sounds better than another plugin.

If you don't see how that is never going to make the slightest sense logically, then there is no way any amount of words could possibly help you.

[jens]

Well people were saying the Virus hardware sounded different than the Virus software...

But that is not comparable to Manfred's brainfart. Manfred said the plugin sounds better than another plugin because hardware.

No I didn’t.

Yes, you did:

Valhalla Supermassive comes with 16 different algorithms, and the damn plugin is free and sounds better than the Big Sky plugin. SMH.

No, it doesn’t. It sounds like a plugin.

I hold a lot of respect for the Valhalla developer and by no means his products are amazing. But come on mate. Who are you fooling? Have you ever used a hardware reverb?

[Etienne1973]

just in a pedal, the dry signal doesn't do ad/da it's just straight through, only the wet is converted.

If we're talking about digital reverb effect pedals then it depends. My Digitech RV7 does ad/da convert the dry signal. TC Electronic Hall of Fame (as an example) has analog-dry-through, doesn't convert dry to digital and back.

well yes there are indeed pedals that don't have a true dry signal, but as it's the strymon plug in thread, i was thinking of the strymon pedal

Sorry. So you prefer playing the Strymon Big Sky hw pedal with zero dry signal latency instead of playing the plugin with whole signal latency, right?

[jens]

I’ve explained this to you in 2 posts already.

More words aren't going to make it any better... and to be honest with you right now I am not willing to read through that much bollocks from you anymore.

[Modular Manfred]

Well people were saying the Virus hardware sounded different than the Virus software...

But that is not comparable to Manfred's brainfart. Manfred said the plugin sounds better than another plugin because hardware.

No I didn’t.

Yes, you did:

Valhalla Supermassive comes with 16 different algorithms, and the damn plugin is free and sounds better than the Big Sky plugin. SMH.

No, it doesn’t. It sounds like a plugin.

I hold a lot of respect for the Valhalla developer and by no means his products are amazing. But come on mate. Who are you fooling? Have you ever used a hardware reverb?

To be fair mate, you are right… I admit and I apologise. I get it now.

I should have expanded on it that it sounds like ‘most’ plugins in the sense of not sitting in the mix in a way I’m used to with hardware plugins and that the Strymon plugin delivers what the pedal does.

[Modular Manfred]

And on the top of that I’ve just written ‘hardware plugins’ in my previous post…

That’s Manfred’s new invention. A hardware plugin…

Should really sleep more than 4h a day I guess, or it’s a brain tumour.

[rod_zero]

Valhalla Supermassive comes with 16 different algorithms, and the damn plugin is free and sounds better than the Big Sky plugin. SMH.

No, it doesn’t. It sounds like a plugin.

I hold a lot of respect for the Valhalla developer and by no means his products are amazing. But come on mate. Who are you fooling? Have you ever used a hardware reverb?

Strymon is 4x the price of Valhalla and let me reassure you that it sounds at least 4x better as well, if your measurement is how a hardware reverb behaves in a mix, even though taste in sound is subjective.

I hate these metaphors but Valhalla is like a VW (Someone else has said it here before me so I’m not taking credit). VW is really great value, right? Not the most expensive car, not cheap either, reliable, popular. Happy days. And most people can afford it. These people will look at all the Audi and Merc owners and think why spend £70k on a car when you can have a decent VW for £15k. But in reality they think ‘Man if I could afford it’. Because a Q7 is arguably better than a Golf, right? - Which in this example would be the Strymon. I know this is an awkward example because Audi is owned by VW.
And then you have those who can afford the Bentleys. Or Astons. Or Ferraris. What have you. I’m of course talking Bout the vintage Lexicons and Eventides and AMS. That no plugin can touch as of today.

The point is that there is no point because it doesn’t matter. You can make good music with the Valhallas. And just because you use hardware you won’t be a better musician. But let’s stay realistic with what actually sounds better and why.

"the maths here are better than the maths over there cause I say so" also "converters blah blah blah"

Platonic types are so full of BS

[Modular Manfred]

Valhalla Supermassive comes with 16 different algorithms, and the damn plugin is free and sounds better than the Big Sky plugin. SMH.

No, it doesn’t. It sounds like a plugin.

I hold a lot of respect for the Valhalla developer and by no means his products are amazing. But come on mate. Who are you fooling? Have you ever used a hardware reverb?

Strymon is 4x the price of Valhalla and let me reassure you that it sounds at least 4x better as well, if your measurement is how a hardware reverb behaves in a mix, even though taste in sound is subjective.

I hate these metaphors but Valhalla is like a VW (Someone else has said it here before me so I’m not taking credit). VW is really great value, right? Not the most expensive car, not cheap either, reliable, popular. Happy days. And most people can afford it. These people will look at all the Audi and Merc owners and think why spend £70k on a car when you can have a decent VW for £15k. But in reality they think ‘Man if I could afford it’. Because a Q7 is arguably better than a Golf, right? - Which in this example would be the Strymon. I know this is an awkward example because Audi is owned by VW.
And then you have those who can afford the Bentleys. Or Astons. Or Ferraris. What have you. I’m of course talking Bout the vintage Lexicons and Eventides and AMS. That no plugin can touch as of today.

The point is that there is no point because it doesn’t matter. You can make good music with the Valhallas. And just because you use hardware you won’t be a better musician. But let’s stay realistic with what actually sounds better and why.

"the maths here are better than the maths over there cause I say so" also "converters blah blah blah"

Platonic types are so full of BS

Ok. So because of maths everything sounds the same?

[jens]

To be fair mate, you are right… I admit and I apologise. I get it now.

I should have expanded on it that it sounds like ‘most’ plugins in the sense of not sitting in the mix in a way I’m used to with hardware plugins and that the Strymon plugin delivers what the pedal does.

That's certainly more than fair enough! Hats off to you and huge respect for this post!

Now get some sleep - and I should as well!

[Modular Manfred]

To be fair mate, you are right… I admit and I apologise. I get it now.

I should have expanded on it that it sounds like ‘most’ plugins in the sense of not sitting in the mix in a way I’m used to with hardware plugins and that the Strymon plugin delivers what the pedal does.

That's certainly more than fair enough! Hats off to you and huge respect for this post!

Now get some sleep - and I should as well!

Cheers jens! Gonna get to bed indeed, before it gets too emotional.

[VitaminD]

Well people were saying the Virus hardware sounded different than the Virus software...

But that is not comparable to Manfred's brainfart. Manfred said the plugin sounds better than another plugin because hardware.

But the virus hardware and the plugin are the same ROM.. the fancy box is just a computer.

[foosnark]

Anyway...

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Remember the good old days when this thread was just complaints about the price?