Diva Vs. Real Analog

[2ZrgE]

The Beatles were widely known back then, both with people who loved and hated them. But Skrillex?! I don't know who that is, and probably nobody I know knows him or her or them or whatever

Because KVR is full of old people. Young people don't give a shit about 'real analog'.

[IncarnateX]

OMD, Human League, Cabaret Voltaire... in the 70s...? You definitely must tale a look at the names, and consult the Wikipedia.

No, you should.

Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark (OMD) are an English new wave/synthpop group formed in 1978

And the usual suspect strikes again, with the usual sophismas. Lets keep with Wikipedia, then:

(OMD) eponymous first album (1980) showcased the band's live set at the time, and was basically recorded by the Humphreys/McCluskey duo, although included some guest drums from Id drummer Malcolm Holmes, and saxophone from Wirral musician Martin Cooper.

The Human League are an English electronic new wave band formed in Sheffield in 1977. Dare (1981), the band's most popular album, yielded the single "Don't You Want Me", a No. 1 hit in the pop charts of UK, US and many other countries.

Cabaret Voltaire are an English music group formed in Sheffield in 1973... The 27 June 1978 edition of NME had a review by Andy Gill who said "I firmly believe Cabaret Voltaire will turn out to be one of the most important new bands to achieve wider recognition this year. Wait and see." [9] And, certainly, years later they were seen as one of the bands that instigated the electronic music scene.

And even TD and Kraftwerk... TD started as a derivative of Krautrock

Ahem.

Tangerine Dream was a German electronic music group founded in 1967 by Edgar Froese.

The fact the Krautrock adjective appeared later doesn't change nothing to the statement - consult Amon Duul, Popol Vuh, Can, etc. Besides, following your (sophismatic) logic, Genesis and King Crimson are bands from the sixties (actually, prog rock started effectively on the second half of the 60s, and went through to the end of the 70s). And I will leave you dancing alone for the rest of the ball.

Yupiii, it is SHOWTIME
Now are you going to let him get away with this rabbyt?

Let the match BEGIN!

[wagtunes]

The Beatles were widely known back then, both with people who loved and hated them. But Skrillex?! I don't know who that is, and probably nobody I know knows him or her or them or whatever

Because KVR is full of old people. Young people don't give a shit about 'real analog'.

That may very well be a true statement. The kicker is that I'm old and I don't give a shit about real analog.

That must make me a very strange dinosaur.

[2ZrgE]

See I never liked the Beatles (was too young for their music), but I can appreciate what they've contributed to popular music. But I also don't like Mozart...

[2ZrgE]

The Beatles were widely known back then, both with people who loved and hated them. But Skrillex?! I don't know who that is, and probably nobody I know knows him or her or them or whatever

Because KVR is full of old people. Young people don't give a shit about 'real analog'.

That may very well be a true statement. The kicker is that I'm old and I don't give a shit about real analog.

That must make me a very strange dinosaur.

At least you know both. A lot of today's producers work completey ITB, and for most kids it is just not possible to spend large amounts of money for analog gear. Today all you need is a consumer laptop and some stolen Fruity Loops...

[fluffy_little_something]

The Beatles were widely known back then, both with people who loved and hated them. But Skrillex?! I don't know who that is, and probably nobody I know knows him or her or them or whatever

Because KVR is full of old people. Young people don't give a shit about 'real analog'.

But I am happy I am "old" and my musical brain was not molded by modern music. And given the number of baby boomers out there, we are a big community happily living in the past

[Z1202]

But old synths?

There is only so much you can do with saw/square/pulse/triangle

Unfortunately this "only so much" is still by far not available with modern softsynths. Also most of the old synths did have filters and other components, not only the oscillators

Although I have to admit, with the modern generation of VAs, unless you're into "modular madness", there are probably not too many reasons to care.

[wagtunes]

But old synths?

There is only so much you can do with saw/square/pulse/triangle

Unfortunately this "only so much" is still by far not available with modern softsynths. Also most of the old synths did have filters and other components, not only the oscillators

Although I have to admit, with the modern generation of VAs, unless you're into "modular madness", there are probably not too many reasons to care.

See, modular synths have always been my favorite. But who can afford them? I sure can't. At least not to be able to put together the setup that I'd like to put together. And even if I could, I simply don't have the room.

Synths like MUX, Sonigen Modular, KarmaFX and even limited and/or fixed modulars like Zebra 2 and Bazille are good enough for me.

[Z1202]

Synths like MUX, Sonigen Modular, KarmaFX and even limited and/or fixed modulars like Zebra 2 and Bazille are good enough for me.

Not for me. Feature-wise they might be okay, but they are either largely failing (at least for my purposes) once you want to go into extremes (sometimes even just a little) like heavy FM, overdrive etc (this is where you get the most interesting sounds) or I simply don't like their sound (or both).

Edit: that's why I like Monark so much. You can abuse this synth almost 100% (or I still have to find the settings where its abuse doesn't really work).

[fluffy_little_something]

Abusing a synth, what is the purpose of that? There was a video of a Japanese guy kind of abusing a Minimoog pages ago, but frankly, most of those sounds had no musical value in my view.
Extreme sounds may be of interest to about 1% of synth users, for the rest stuff from Xils, Tal, GForce, U-he etc. will do.

[whyterabbyt]

And the usual suspect strikes again, with the usual sophismas.

Yes, you did. But its okay, I'll tried to help you out with the details.

Lets keep with Wikipedia, then:

Oooh, exciting 'sophismas' ahead then. Whatever that is.

(OMD) eponymous first album (1980) showcased the band's live set at the time, and was basically recorded by the Humphreys/McCluskey duo, although included some guest drums from Id drummer Malcolm Holmes, and saxophone from Wirral musician Martin Cooper.

The Human League are an English electronic new wave band formed in Sheffield in 1977. Dare (1981), the band's most popular album, yielded the single "Don't You Want Me", a No. 1 hit in the pop charts of UK, US and many other countries.

Cabaret Voltaire are an English music group formed in Sheffield in 1973... The 27 June 1978 edition of NME had a review by Andy Gill who said "I firmly believe Cabaret Voltaire will turn out to be one of the most important new bands to achieve wider recognition this year. Wait and see." [9] And, certainly, years later they were seen as one of the bands that instigated the electronic music scene.

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So what's your point?

Oh yes. You're so determined to disprove someone saying that these were 70's bands, that despite the fact that they were all formed in the 70's you'll pretend they miraculously dont count as existing as bands in the 70's because they happened not to have ceased on December 31st 1979.

So what's your definition of a 70's band, then? Clearly not one that was formed in the 70's, or one that existed in the 70's.
One that didnt exist in any other decade?
One that sold an arbitrarily larger number records in one decade than it did in another?

Or, as I suspect is more likely, is it entirely malleable and defined solely in which manner suits you being right?

The fact the Krautrock adjective appeared later doesn't change nothing to the statement

The bit that TD were derivative of Krautrock? Yes, it does acually. Perhaps you should revisit what 'derivative' means.

- consult Amon Duul, Popol Vuh, Can, etc.

You know that none of them started before TD, dont you. Kinda hard to be derivative of something you precede dont you think.

Besides, following your (sophismatic) logic

Dont think there is such a thing. But, assuming you mean its sophistry of some kind, feel free to prove so.

, Genesis and King Crimson are bands from the sixties (actually, prog rock started effectively on the second half of the 60s, and went through to the end of the 70s).

Hmmm, if this is supposed to 'follow my logic', then Im not getting it. Both were 60s band who lasted much longer than that. 2000s at least for both. Are you saying that Genesis and King Crimson are not 60's bands?

Are they 70s bands, then, despite having survived into the 80s?
Are they 80s bands, then, despite having survived into the 90s?
Are they 90's bands then, despite having survived into the 2000's.

Not really sure what your point is. Not seeing any evidence that you are either, apart from 'hey Im gonna correct someone then whine when someone corrects me back again'.

nd I will leave you dancing alone for the rest of the ball.

Indeed, it does seem like you're not really 'dancing' as much as 'jerking spasmodically'.

[fluffy_little_something]

I would say a 70's band is a band whose prime time was in the 70's, but they might have been active before and/or after the 70's as well.
I don't think many people would consider Genesis a band of the 60's.
Just like hardly anyone considers Duran Duran a 70's band.

[aMUSEd]

Groups like Genesis never had top 40 hits until they finally "sold out" and started cranking out crap like "Follow You Follow Me" and "Misunderstanding". "Invisible Touch" was another "let's make some money" song.

'I know what I like' was well before that (1974) and at least top 30 (Genesis always had the ability to write songs with good hooks even well before they went mainstream)

[wagtunes]

Groups like Genesis never had top 40 hits until they finally "sold out" and started cranking out crap like "Follow You Follow Me" and "Misunderstanding". "Invisible Touch" was another "let's make some money" song.

'I know what I like' was well before that (1974) and at least top 30 (Genesis always had the ability to write songs with good hooks even well before they went mainstream)

"I know what I like" only charted in the UK and hit #21 on the charts.

Most bands made it somewhat in the UK before coming to the states where I live. So for me, here, that song was just another tune from "Selling England By The Pound" which was considered one of their better albums next to "Lamb".

But the first big Genesis hit in the states wasn't until 1977 with "Follow" which only made 22 here at that.

It wasn't until 1984 that they really made it big with 'Invisible" which hit #1.

70s Genesis, for the most part, was not a mainstream band here. By the time they really became big, I had long moved on from listening to prog rock...what was left of it.

[Apostate]

I don't see anything wrong with Skrillex. I actually liked that first video he did, with the sample of the lady screaming. And I'm OLD lol!

I think most people who know about music kind of gave up on anything being truly pioneering anymore. But many of those same people think that, besides Wagner, there hasn't really been anything notable in music since Beethoven.

To me that leaves out John Coltrane, Mahler, Schoenberg, Stravinsky, Stevie Wonder, Miles Davis, Brian Wilson, Lennon and McCartney, Johns Cage and Zorn, Phil Spector, George Clinton...