KVR Audio

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Oct 07, 2021 12:55 pm

We're cross posting yes I already found the full render. I stand corrected that is the render of Thorn 1.

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:47 pm

Unrelated - I didn't realize Voger did the design for some Reason devices (both RS's own "Monotone" as well as Pink Noise "Maya"). I always thought those two stood out and looked really great - I really like Voger's GUI/UX work.

Thorn (current version) is one of my favorite plugin GUI/UX - I hope it doesn't change much in version 2.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Oct 07, 2021 2:11 pm

EnochLight wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:47 pm Unrelated - I didn't realize Voger did the design for some Reason devices (both RS's own "Monotone" as well as Pink Noise "Maya"). I always thought those two stood out and looked really great - I really like Voger's GUI/UX work.

I really enjoy Voger Design's style. I'm impressed by the scope of their portfolio.

EnochLight wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:47 pmThorn (current version) is one of my favorite plugin GUI/UX - I hope it doesn't change much in version 2.

Me too....

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:21 am

Ploki wrote: Thu Oct 07, 2021 7:32 amOh no, apple gave me performance of 2 computers for the price of 1. f**king apple f**k them.

No they didn't. not even close. They may have told you they did but that's just you doing what it is I hate about Apple users. Here's the reality (again), a competitive SoC that holds its own in some benchmarks but gets walloped in others. Nowhere does it outperform the competition. NOWHERE.

Here, for example, is the M1 getting it's arse handed to it, by both Intel and AMD, in a simple Cinebench test -

Choose to live in your little dream world if you like but understand it bears no resemblance to reality.

digitalboytn · Post by **digitalboytn** » Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:27 am

The M1 CPU is getting slaughtered in that test

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Fri Oct 08, 2021 3:47 am

Correct. There are a few where it is slightly ahead of the Core i7s but in every test, except one, it gets trounced by the AMD powered machines. And in that one test where it beats AMD, in it's supposedly superior single threaded performance test, it is itself beaten by a lowly 4-core Core i7. Yet Apple want to tell us that it's many times more powerful than anything that's come before and there seem to be no shortage of idiots prepared to take them at their word.

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:22 am

Cinenbench R20 via rosetta? Why not try Cinebench R23 eh?

I don't need cherry-picked bencmarks by you bones, i did first hand tests against 150W i9-9980HS Windows machines, and i put the M1 MBP against the i7/32gb mini in every possible scenario, and M1 was better in every possible scenario even via rosetta, even in scenarios considering RAM such as kontakt.
I didn't take apple for their word, i didn't sell my intel mac until i made sure it works how they said it works.
And since the influx of M1 native plugins, it just got better.

i won't go into this anymore, you're wrong and you have an agenda and its f**king annoying.
If I expect Apple Silicon support from a dev before giving them money that's my prerogative.

digitalboytn wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:27 am The M1 CPU is getting slaughtered in that test

Except reality is that M1 slaughters every one of that chip in single core performance (very beneficial for audio) and it's about 10% worse in multicore, while being passively cooled, while consuming 60% less power.
Why is power consumption meaningful? Because power consumption directly affects how much can you squeeze out of a chip before it throttles.

This is theoretical, without considering real-world weird scenarios like not having to up buffer from 64 anymore for some reason. Ever. Because performance barely changes if I work at 64 or at 1024. (I believe that's due to super low latency super fast unified RAM.)

Here's some audio benchmark considering only the theoretical concept of RAM speed vs Audio performance (on ryzen lol):
http://www.scanproaudio.info/2019/07/30 ... an-impact/

JKNOX98 · Post by **JKNOX98** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:05 pm

I was using the tantra 1 demo version for a couple of weeks before I went to buy and realised that it had been replaced by tantra 2. Does anyone here know where I can find a license key for tantra 1/ a secondhand license? Cheers

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:09 pm

Try the Sell & Buy forum here: viewforum.php?f=43

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:21 pm

Ploki wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:22 am Cinenbench R20 via rosetta? Why not try Cinebench R23 eh?

I don't need cherry-picked bencmarks by you bones, i did first hand tests against 150W i9-9980HS Windows machines, and i put the M1 MBP against the i7/32gb mini in every possible scenario, and M1 was better in every possible scenario even via rosetta, even in scenarios considering RAM such as kontakt.
I didn't take apple for their word, i didn't sell my intel mac until i made sure it works how they said it works.
And since the influx of M1 native plugins, it just got better.

i won't go into this anymore, you're wrong and you have an agenda and its f**king annoying.
If I expect Apple Silicon support from a dev before giving them money that's my prerogative.

digitalboytn wrote: Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:27 am The M1 CPU is getting slaughtered in that test
Except reality is that M1 slaughters every one of that chip in single core performance (very beneficial for audio) and it's about 10% worse in multicore, while being passively cooled, while consuming 60% less power.
Why is power consumption meaningful? Because power consumption directly affects how much can you squeeze out of a chip before it throttles.

This is theoretical, without considering real-world weird scenarios like not having to up buffer from 64 anymore for some reason. Ever. Because performance barely changes if I work at 64 or at 1024. (I believe that's due to super low latency super fast unified RAM.)

Here's some audio benchmark considering only the theoretical concept of RAM speed vs Audio performance (on ryzen lol):
http://www.scanproaudio.info/2019/07/30 ... an-impact/

Ryzen 7 ? Compare flagship apple CPUs against flagship AMD please.

Single core M1 can compete against Ryzen 9 but not always, it's V close . Multicore , no comparison

Try DIVA to see how they compare single core Vs multi core.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:41 pm

Most of those that against M1 chip are those who never tried it! Most of those (if not all) that have/had the M1, are very positive and impressed with the product!
So, which one you trust?! It is up to you!

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:59 pm

LeVzi wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:21 pm

Ryzen 7 ? Compare flagship apple CPUs against flagship AMD please.

Single core M1 can compete against Ryzen 9 but not always, it's V close . Multicore , no comparison

Try DIVA to see how they compare single core Vs multi core.

Apple doesn't have a flagship chip - it only has an entry level low power chip in their most cheapest machines. Everybody is eagerly expecting the flagship 16" with AppleSilicon rumoured to have 12+4 cores (that's 3x more high performance cores than the M1) - which in theory would easily compete with 165W TDP x86 chips. In theory. If they manage to scale it well. If.

The tests i did with diva vs 6-core i7 were mind blowing - esp cause i can run more instances at @64 than i could on the i7 @1024. Can't test Ryzen cause i don't have it, if anyone does i can tell them which diva preset to use and how many voices to feed it

rod_zero · Post by **rod_zero** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:10 pm

I am pretty much an apple hater, I dislike their business model, their prices, their programmed obsolescence.

But so far trying some audio stuff in my gf M1 air even if it is not smoking i7s left and right it performs really well for DAW tasks and if this is ly the 1st and low end apple silicone chip then the future is very bright for the company. I could bet the second generation and high end m1x will perform than i7s at lower temps.

LeVzi · Post by **LeVzi** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:53 pm

Ploki wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:59 pm
LeVzi wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:21 pm

Ryzen 7 ? Compare flagship apple CPUs against flagship AMD please.

Single core M1 can compete against Ryzen 9 but not always, it's V close . Multicore , no comparison

Try DIVA to see how they compare single core Vs multi core.
Apple doesn't have a flagship chip - it only has an entry level low power chip in their most cheapest machines. Everybody is eagerly expecting the flagship 16" with AppleSilicon rumoured to have 12+4 cores (that's 3x more high performance cores than the M1) - which in theory would easily compete with 165W TDP x86 chips. In theory. If they manage to scale it well. If.

The tests i did with diva vs 6-core i7 were mind blowing - esp cause i can run more instances at @64 than i could on the i7 @1024. Can't test Ryzen cause i don't have it, if anyone does i can tell them which diva preset to use and how many voices to feed it

I'm basing it on the M1 Vs 59050X

The M1 want far behind the AMD in fact on a single core test (think it was to do with graphics , the Ryzen doesn't have onboard graphics ) the M1 shafted the AMD

But when it went multi core , there was no comparison

DIVA is a well programmed synth because the mutlicore swtich drops CPU by 10% at least on a Ryzen 5900X .

I hope DAWs and vsts all support multi core in the end.

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Mon Oct 11, 2021 9:58 pm

why would you compare it against 5950X?
5950X costs like a whole Mini M1, and consumes 10x as much power.
If it didn't do at least 3 times as much as M1 something would be terribly terribly wrong with it.

I don't think you can hope for great multicore support - multicore chips have been around for more than a decade and everything is still "meh"

Thorn: Dmitry Sches' new synth!