Adobe Audition disapointment

[Rangtangtang]

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I tried the demo, but what pissed me off is that as soon as you open for the first time it scans automaticaly for the steinburg VST folder and gets stuck if there are too many. Once open you can change which files to scan for, but the steinburg folder is hardwired. A few other programs have the same similar problems.




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[headquest]

Hi.

If the grapevine is to be believed, Audition 2.0 has been beta testing for a few months, and will be with us soon

However, the release will be tied in with the release of Premier Po 2.0 and Encore 2.0, all of which are components of the Adobe Video Collection package.

Lips are definitely sealed about what will be new in Audition 2.0, although ASIO support is widely expected by the user-base, as is better VST support. At present VSTs only work if their developers follow the rules of the VST spec very closely!

Whether or not you are bothered by any of this probably depends on where Audition sits in your workflow. If you want to use it as a sequencer then I think it's fair to say that programs like Sonar and Ableton Live are moving much faster. Multitrack is more advanced in Audition than it is in any of the other audio editing suites... but this "added bonus" (so far as I am concerned) means that some people inevitably try to use it alone, rather than alongside a fully-featured MIDI/Audio DAW.

I personally find AA 1.5 to be an outstanding piece of software, and I have had hardly any problems at all with it. And I do use it for multitrack recording and editing... although I mostly tend to use Ableton as my main sequencing host.

[headquest]

I tried the demo, but what pissed me off is that as soon as you open for the first time it scans automaticaly for the steinburg VST folder and gets stuck if there are too many. Once open you can change which files to scan for, but the steinburg folder is hardwired. A few other programs have the same similar problems.

That seems odd, and I have a couple of points about it...

1) The Steinberg VST folder as a default is I believe hardwired into the VST format itself (if properly adhered to). So most of the plugins you download or try to install will initially ask to be placed in that default folder. But of could by selecting "browse" you can redirect the .dll files to wherever you personally prefer to keep them. It's no big deal and nor is it a surprise, bearing in mind that VST is a Steinberg registered format.

2) The behavior you described is not the standard Adobe Audition behavior! As part of the installation process, Audition does not scan for plugins (of any type, either DX or VST). Nor does it, if memory serves, scan when you first open it...

In fact, what you need to do when you install the Audition demo or full software, is select the Effects drop-down menu (in Edit View) and from there choose to enable VST and/or DX effects. From that menu you can - if you read all the options - alternatively first select to "Add/Remove VST directory" and redirect to the path(s) of your choice. The scan proces itself can take 2 or 3 minutes, sure, but once done you do not need to do it again except when you add new effects in the future. So unlike so many programs, Audition does not scan for VSTs each and every time it opens. And because of this it is MUCH faster at opening than most of the other software I use

[Hink]

I'd like to see a list of what power uses of AA would consider bugs.

to start with it'a finicky about vsts, this might be the only thing I consider a bug, but you still need a vst wrapper for some stuff, like luminox, 2 of the 5 avox pluggins, room machine and in order to see the gui on many effects you need the wrapper, try the classic comp. (when reading this remember I love AA and have been using since it was bought out by adobe), it's lacking asio support (which is not a bug, but a serious oversight), there is considrably more latency in control response then other apps.

Again I love AA, I'm jus disapointed they haven't adressed the little issues, again like I said I dont want to see them drop behind the rest of the field...but c'mon without asio they're already behind, but I wont be getting rid of it or stop using it...also a pre/post switch for each channel would seem to be a good idea...

[headquest]

I would definitely love to see some improvement to the mixer before making *more* use of Audition for multitrack stuff. As well as a pre/post button, I would like to have per-track metering, an effects slot on the master stip, and more flexible bussing options.

As for ASIO it wasn't lagging behind (in the field of audio editors) until the summer when Soundforge finally added ASIO support. Given that, it really has to be in AA 2.0! Having said that, the only time when lack of ASIO is an issue for me is when running Audition as a ReWire host.... for recording audio I use direct monitoring anyway.

The only bug, as you say, is the VST problems. Going back to the Sonar comparisson though, what is happening in S5 is exactly the same as in AA1.5. That is, an invisible wrapper changes your VST .dlls into registry entries. I don't know if there are any advantages to this approach, but it sure as hell clogs up your registry!! (and just running the S4 and P5v2 demos severely crippled my registry and I had to buy a commercial registry cleaner to sort it out )

[Hink]

Hi.

If the grapevine is to be believed, Audition 2.0 has been beta testing for a few months, and will be with us soon

However, the release will be tied in with the release of Premier Po 2.0 and Encore 2.0, all of which are components of the Adobe Video Collection package.

Lips are definitely sealed about what will be new in Audition 2.0, although ASIO support is widely expected by the user-base, as is better VST support. At present VSTs only work if their developers follow the rules of the VST spec very closely!

Whether or not you are bothered by any of this probably depends on where Audition sits in your workflow. If you want to use it as a sequencer then I think it's fair to say that programs like Sonar and Ableton Live are moving much faster. Multitrack is more advanced in Audition than it is in any of the other audio editing suites... but this "added bonus" (so far as I am concerned) means that some people inevitably try to use it alone, rather than alongside a fully-featured MIDI/Audio DAW.

I personally find AA 1.5 to be an outstanding piece of software, and I have had hardly any problems at all with it. And I do use it for multitrack recording and editing... although I mostly tend to use Ableton as my main sequencing host.

that's good news...I use it with FL...and like you I use it for all my audio recording. It's an awesome multi-tracker, very straight forward and easy to use...that's why at the end of my post I said I'm hoping they are working some mind blowing...I assume they are..

BTW read this thread, another example (not you) of how people interpret things the way they want to hear it...that's twice and I've only been a wake an hour You would think I said it sux, you would think I was attacking it, I'm not sure why people become so defensive when you make such comments...the curse of KVR I guess...all I said I was disapointed that there hadn't been any updates recently and I even went on to clarify that I hoped it was a good sign...but yet a few people have to take it negative..it wasn't negative, and now it appears it was asked at a timely point...thanx for letting me know about 2.0...

[Bruce Bartlett]

Speaking as someone who has been using Audition (and its predecessor, Cool Edit) since the late 90s, Adobe hasn't really slowed down development. CE usually went *years* between updates, after all. Many users expected the application to die once Adobe bought Syntrillium, but to our surprise that has not happened.

Yes, VST support is pretty weak right now, but it's only been relatively recently in CE/Audition's history that there have been enough decent VST mastering and effects plug-ins to make this a pressing concern. How many other audio apps have been around for a decade, are still relevant, and haven't been completely rewritten?

[birrbits]

Nothing like reviving a month old thread..but here goes

Let me start off saying I love AA, but yesterday I made a HORRIFYING discovery.

How AA handles VST presets:
It, of course, doesnt yet support fxb.
But when it reads the presets for a VST plug, or when you create a preset for a plug, IT STORES THEM IN THE AUDITION.INI file. Along with all the built-in effect presets and user presets.

WHY IS THIS SO HORRIFYING?
because if you try to use a plug like luminox, or KTGranulator, or Cyanide (just to name a few), the AUDITION.INI file gets ridiculously huge. Mine (with about 80 effects in the path) was 20 meg! (3,200 pages long in Word)

This really sucks if you want to reinstall in the future & keep your old favorite AA/Cool Edit presets.

My solution (so far) was to back up the old AUDITION.INI and delete the existing INI (it will rebuild on it's own) then slowly add plugs & rescan till I found those that caused the file to get huge.

The good news...I have about 75 plugs loaded now with an INI file size of about 200kb. Audition is ridculously faster now when loading a plug (since it doesnt have to scan a 20meg file).

The plugs that don't seem to jibe with AA, I will just have to load with a wrapper for now....

Now I just have to FIND my old presets in the 20meg backup file.....

[Hink]

no mattter what AA still has some killer features...frequency band splitting, great noise reduction, an easy learning curve with a great work flow...I would like per track meters though...and "locking" fx takes quite a while...I would upgrade if it wasn't too exspensive (under 200) though Sonar 5 now gets more use...

[birrbits]

Totally agree Hink, just wanted to share the 'bug' I found

[headquest]

Without wishing to further rain on the parade, I suspect that Audition does something equally HORRIFYING with every audio clip it ever references...

The reason I fear that to be the case is that when I do a registry clean up (using Registry Medic) I find every audio clip reference written to the registry . Audition uses this information to compile its "recently used files" lists... but I'm sure this really clogs things up and slows them down. After cleaning the registry and removing this stuff, the program runs much smoother and quicker (although of course you have to search more fully to find the audio folder you were using last week )

[Hink]

Without wishing to further rain on the parade, I suspect that Audition does something equally HORRIFYING with every audio clip it ever references...

The reason I fear that to be the case is that when I do a registry clean up (using Registry Medic) I find every audio clip reference written to the registry . Audition uses this information to compile its "recently used files" lists... but I'm sure this really clogs things up and slows them down. After cleaning the registry and removing this stuff, the program runs much smoother and quicker (although of course you have to search more fully to find the audio folder you were using last week )

That's interesting, I should be able to clean it with "Quick clean" the too...now I just have to figure out how......at first I thought you were talking about the pk files. But can't you wipe that memory out in AA? I do notice older projects seem to drag more and sometimes stutter, but only on songs that I have many, many un-used waves saved in my folder. I always thought the that waves not played didn't effect the cpu useage...but I could see how it could tie things up...thanx for pointing this out...

[butter]

Okay it's been two years since they aquired cool edit, 8 months after they released 1.5...but I have heard no talk of any more releases.

You expect a new release 8 months after the last one? That's a bit optimistic. How many major hosts are on a faster-than-12-month release cycle?

(Dont forget, Adobe consider usually x.5 releases to be 'major version' changes)

Adobe has an 18 month refresh cycle for all of it's products. This info is straight from Adobe's channel reps. So, another 10 months and there should be a new version.

[headquest]

Adobe has an 18 month refresh cycle for all of it's products. This info is straight from Adobe's channel reps. So, another 10 months and there should be a new version.

Actually Audition 1.5 came out early summer 2004 (I bought it around June 04, and it had been around for three months or so), so from what the rep told you we can expect the new version by the beginning of 2006 at the latest

[butter]

Adobe has an 18 month refresh cycle for all of it's products. This info is straight from Adobe's channel reps. So, another 10 months and there should be a new version.

Actually Audition 1.5 came out early summer 2004 (I bought it around June 04, and it had been around for three months or so), so from what the rep told you we can expect the new version by the beginning of 2006 at the latest

In theory, yeah, that's right. Adobe is very, very tight-lipped with new releases so I guess no one's really gonna know until they release it.

But, it is Adobe and they just kinda do whatever the hell they want.