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are these recent crashes? I remember a long time ago there were some very serious issues with PACE.

but recently i've loaded PACE and ilok stuff on over 15 audio computers and never once had a single problem... so it's just confusing to me.
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jasonsantiago wrote:are these recent crashes? I remember a long time ago there were some very serious issues with PACE.

but recently i've loaded PACE and ilok stuff on over 15 audio computers and never once had a single problem... so it's just confusing to me.
it seems who you ask....it seems that some who dont like it can invent a million problems....however many pro studios will give you quite a different answer...the bottom line is simple, KVR though great will always have issues with bias...you can only go by other people's experiences to some extent...you can't base your entire judgement on them, especially here.

This is just the way it is, we're musicians...some musicians need to attack to validate themselves...attack pace, attack marshall (yes for years people were stereo typed when they said they used marshalls)...many people here just have big heads and think they can actually tell you what's best for you...I tell you that you know what's best for you and don't let the rest bother you.

A lot of crashes could be somebodies uncle's, cousin's, sister's, best friend's dog walker could of spilled water in their pc while ilok was installed and it caused all kind of problems.

Yes I had a unique problem coding ilok (and it is my system..nothing to do with ilok, I got the same error installing software for my camera), and two years ago no one could find the leak in my tire...it would stay up for weeks then go flat over night..I aint gonna stop using tires...it works for you, it works for me, it works for many, many others and the nay sayers just yell louder then those who have nothing to complain about to begin with...;)
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I agree Hink, there seems to be a lot of bandwagon bashing or praise on KVR...
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http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/vie ... hp?t=25404

This time with a Mac.
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jasonsantiago wrote:I agree Hink, there seems to be a lot of bandwagon bashing or praise on KVR...

and there's nothing in between...either it's right or wrong.

God help you if you go against the flow the kvr lynch mob comes out of the woodwork (ironic init, most of the genres we produce were about going against the flow)

I would really like to think that we as musicians are above that kind of judgement, but alas that's probably where the line between artist and egotist is drawn...the egotist feels superior and can cast judgement, the artist is humble and interprets... :wink:
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Hink wrote:I would really like to think that we as musicians are above that kind of judgement, but alas that's probably where the line between artist and egotist is drawn...the egotist feels superior and can cast judgement, the artist is humble and interprets... :wink:
But somehow it's clever for you to assume that the people that do have problems (reported regularly here) are either stupid or driving some secret agenda?

The entire point is that it's unpredictable - it works fine for some people and wreaks havoc for others.

Of course, it's important to keep in mind that it's so easily cracked that it doesn't provide any real protection anyway.
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But somehow it's clever for you to assume that the people that do have problems (reported regularly here) are either stupid or driving some secret agenda?

where did I say that?....but I'd be willing to bet that at least half the complaints about ilok are second or even third hand accounts. Ilok didn't really target the home studio guys. I never knew anything about it until I got AVOX, really most of the software here isn't using it. Their target was the larger studios with many, many reg codes...and ilok is far from alone...please tell me one pice of hardware that you cant say the same thing about working in every machine....again please do not put words in my mouth.

To make it clear, what I said was you can't just take the word of kvr (myself included) and it's a fact that the complainers tend to hunt out every chance to get another dig in and are louder.

Again I'll mention FL as it is the perfect example, every thread about FL there are those that can't let go, got to get another shot in at FL, in fact I swear that it would stop some newbies just reading some of the complaints and how they're written. Some people here make FL look like the biggest pile of junk, but that's not what kvr members voted last year.

Meanwhile the content people get tired of saying they're happy and just go about being happy with the app as it doesn't matter as long as they like it...the angry people hold onto it longer, and again that includes me. So what is wrong with saying that kvr is biased?...it is, so is every other site like it and it's a factor to consider when making a decision. I think it's good advice...:shrug:
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kuniklo wrote:http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/vie ... hp?t=25404

This time with a Mac.
is that you or is that second hand info?...;)
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I find it interesting (not an atack, not an insult...just an observation) that since I suggested that perhaps many of the complaints about Ilok were second and third hand hearsay not one comment since...:shrug:
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Hink wrote:I find it interesting (not an atack, not an insult...just an observation) that since I suggested that perhaps many of the complaints about Ilok were second and third hand hearsay not one comment since...:shrug:
Only because it's just too tedious trying to argue sense with some people. A quick search in the forums will find you several recent first-person reports of issues in addition to the one I linked to earlier in the thread.

It's true that forums like this do tend to magnify issues because people without problems generally don't bother to post but you don't have to look very hard at all to dismiss your claim that they're all made up.
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I have personal experience of pace (& synchrosoft) causing problems with peoples systems - the pace on pc & mac.
these were friends & also a couple of different 'pros', although one was quite a while ago using waves & he 'graduaated' to using the kncky copies (although he was fully paid up) in order to reagain system stability.
I've no experience myself as I wouldn't trust them after being witness to the problems they caused, including taking a big bite out of a studio session that caused the guy some real headaches.

thank you please :(
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kuniklo wrote:
Hink wrote:I find it interesting (not an atack, not an insult...just an observation) that since I suggested that perhaps many of the complaints about Ilok were second and third hand hearsay not one comment since...:shrug:
Only because it's just too tedious trying to argue sense with some people. A quick search in the forums will find you several recent first-person reports of issues in addition to the one I linked to earlier in the thread.

It's true that forums like this do tend to magnify issues because people without problems generally don't bother to post but you don't have to look very hard at all to dismiss your claim that they're all made up.
oh I see, and no other pieces of hardware or software have issues....so what personnal dealings do you have with Ilok? I have Ilok and please bear in mind I stayed completely objective on the subject by poimting out the problems I had and the positive.

I think if you can't do the same then perhaps you are biased as well...tell me do you only tell people about the people who are unhappy with Ilok and leave out reports of people who have no complaints? If so then are you not as objective.

In fact you're coming off as someone who is on a vandetta to put them down (even eluding to me having no sense :roll: ), that doesn't help. I am completely indifferent to it...I dont want it tbh, but that's just logical....nobody wants another thing to worry about. But I don't have a choice, I like the software that I need it for very much. Sure I got to a point where I was cursing it, but now that it got sorted it's working fine and except for using an otherwise vacant usb slot it has no effect on my system. But I would still rather not have it or any other protrction software :shrug:

So if you do not have an Ilok and all you seem to do is want to spread contempt for it that's a little arrogant. With the problems I had I now have a connection at both Pace and Antares.

If people want to post bugs and problems with it I will compile a list and present it to Pace...believe it or not they actually want to know, they really do not want to put out a product that will completely tarnish their rep. Afterall their marketting plan is to make it so that we dont need different forms of protection. Instead you can put all your codes on one key, that way if you swap out pcs, hard drives ect you dont have to re-authorize everything. All you do is plug in the Ilok and you're done.

Apparently this appeals to many of the larger studios (time is money :shrug:) and it seems more and more companies are going with it. So I guess there must be a market for it. I really dont think some of these larger companies would stay to long with copy protection that was causing a drastic drop in sales. So it must work for the vast majority of users.

Certainly it needs improvement, but hearsay and pig-headedness will acomplish nothing (but maybe cause you to miss out on some gear based on fears that may not be all that rational)...we're not gonna stop companies from using protection so we must learn to accept and deal with it....not cry and whine over it...our input can be valuable when presented in a clear and objective manner.
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Hink wrote: oh I see, and no other pieces of hardware or software have issues....so what personnal dealings do you have with Ilok? I have Ilok and please bear in mind I stayed completely objective on the subject by poimting out the problems I had and the positive.
About a year ago I bought a copy of Max/MSP and installed it on my windows machine. A few days later it bluescreened in tkpd.sys. I uninstalled it and my fully paid copy of Max/MSP sits unused on the shelf ever since. I can't sell it either since C74 doesn't allow license transfers. My "objectivity" may have suffered somewhere there in the process of pissing $350 down the drain.

Clearly some people do use PACE-protected software without problems. Others do have problems. It's pretty much impossible to establish what fraction do have problems but people like you that glibly dismiss us as whiners with an axe to grind are the worst kind of apologists. That you have the nerve to call yourself objective when you're so ready to dismiss any evidence contrary to your point of view is quite impressive.

I think it deserves to be said again - it would be one thing if PACE actually provided developers with some protection, but IT DOESN'T f**king WORK!!!. PACE-protected stuff is cracked within hours of release and only the honest people get stuck with the problems. The fact that professional studios use cracked copies and keep their paid versions on the shelf isn't a sign of a problem to you?

If draconian shit like PACE is so essential then how do you explain Cakewalk's success selling $500+ software packages protected by nothing more than a serial number?
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dude why do you not see my point I agree with you...it not being protection isn't our problem at all..in fact it could work in our favor. Like I said and perhaps you missed, I certainly would rather not have it, but I'm not gonna punish myself and not get software I like....I cant tell you why they cant go with a serial number...How would I know? :shrug: For me I wish that would be the case. But you gotta assume that Cakewalk accepts the fact that p2p is going on often...and you never know when they will be the next to make the switch...Like I say they are gonna use what they want and we have to accept it. The best we can do is report issues in a mature manner, clear, concise, and totally objective. Swearing at me in huge letters because I have a slightly different viewpoint (and really we are on the same side here, you just can't see that because you seem to want to argue) really isn't a good example of that.

In other words don't give me a hard time because it's now working for me and I am reporting that it is...I'm sorry that goes against your blatant hate for Pace...but I'm not Pace, I'm Hink thank you very much...;)
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Hink wrote: I would really like to think that we as musicians are above that kind of judgement, but alas that's probably where the line between artist and egotist is drawn...the egotist feels superior and can cast judgement, the artist is humble and interprets... :wink:
No offence, but it you do appear to be belittling those of us who have issues with this form of copy protection here, you (& I would assume others who have no problem) are 'artists' with higher & loftier concerns, whilst we are 'egotists', I presume by that you mean that you believe we seek to validate our status as 'non-artists' by jumping on the anti-pace 'bandwagon' or something similar, feeding our ego's with an illogical group moan, seeking validation through bellittling a product (nothing like the 'artist' who some might say validates himself through bellittling our 'bellittling' (although I would argue that they are legitimate concerns) - getting quite convoluted isn't it ;) ).
As I stated earlier I have seen first hand the problems this copy protection can cause, & therefore I stay away as I have no wish to even chance that, I haven't the time to sort out issues that may arise.
I have no 'vendetta' against pace, but I will (& I believe should) share my experience with others in order that they can make a more fully informed decision as to whether or not they purchase pace/synchrosoft protected software.
On the day when I start hearing that it seems to be working perfectly then I will change my opinion, as in theory a little usb key that holds all ones licences is a good idea & I can see how it could be useful.

thank you please ;)
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