Logic 5x pc to Cubase sx3?

[bjm4tt]

- No velocity tool in Matrix/Key edit. Quite a drawback for me.

I've missed it too after switching, but here's a little workaround-somethin':

- make two logical presets: one of them lowering the actual note velocity by 5 (or how much you like), the other one raising it by 5.

- you can assign keycommands to logical presets, so assign two of them to these logical presets.

For me it's quite enough, and i like it now much more, than the velocity tool, because i don't even need to switch tools while i'm editing. And if i want more precise control, then i have the info menu above the editor, where i can simply drag the numbers with my mouse, no tools required.

[Kingston]

tip of the week

Thanks a lot!

[CorrosiveGod]

I'm still a Logic 5 PC user until I get a Mac which should be soon. I've tried to move from Logic to Cubase but the lack of synths, and effects not to mention Cubase's horrible automation.

Nothing execpt for Logic will make you happy.

[porpoise]

HI

I have been to hell and back on this very same issue - I even returned to Logic 5.5 PC in disgust with the options that were otherwise available about a year ago!!!

But I then realised that Logic could be parted with and on reflection seemed a bit dated(compatability with vst's, lack of dual cpu support ... nothing major but something that on-going support would have kept issues at bay).

I now use XT and if the automation was as Logic rather than modular it would be a dream!

SXV3 is probably something that could replace Logic given time - I tried it and disliked the automation lanes - but it isn't a bad program, I also think Tracktion is a nice application ... but IMO the midi view need's a full screen option and movement in the midi edit screen could be better.

Porpoise.

[Miro]

Many, many thanks to all for the input
Maybe I'll put the upgrade off for a little while. It's a shame that there's no demo versions available anymore for cubase.

[djsubject]

sod SX3

Tracktion 2 or eXT (better off with both)

save you a few ££££££££

Subz

[Sascha Franck]

Many, many thanks to all for the input
Maybe I'll put the upgrade off for a little while. It's a shame that there's no demo versions available anymore for cubase.

Yeah, that really sucks.
I mean, there's demos for each and every little synth, but when it comes to some truly serious financial investment, like buying a sequencer, you just gotta do it without any hands-on experience.

Anyways, do yourself a favour and check out Energy XT. It'll bring quite some new life to your Logic. As said, you can layer VSTs, have full MIDI control over all parameters, better compatibility, etc.
Should you decide to purchase it (it's 50 bucks or so), your money won't be wasted either when switching to Cubase one day, as it'll still do miracles as a subhost.
Plus, you may even like eXTs sequencer (can't tell much about it yet, mainly using it as a subhost).
Oh, and there's a fully working demo - even allows you to save, you just won't be able to reload anything.

Seriously, eXT is *the* sequencer enhancement of all times. Of course it won't give you things such as freeze, better audio editing or more RAM compatibility - but it'll at least boost Logic to something like 5.8 or so. In case you got a virtual MIDI port installed, you can even use MIDI out plugins in Logic!

[Miro]

thanks, Sascha. Actually, I won a copy of eXT looong ago in a KvR competition...have to see if I'm eligible for a free upgrade or at least give it a good look at again

[steffensen]

eXT is the dopest thing ever. and thats a fact.

[blommberg]

- Forget about easy reordering of plugins. Impossible in SX.

Mhh? Export > Audio Mixdown - ready. Or didn't I get something???

[steffensen]

- Forget about easy reordering of plugins. Impossible in SX.

Mhh? Export > Audio Mixdown - ready. Or didn't I get something???

i believe he was refering to the fact that u cant change the order of the inserted efx.

[bduffy]

And well, you know, I even *have* to use Cubase as I'm teaching it in some "PC music" classes at the local conservatory.

Wow. Sorry to hear that; nothing worse than being forced to use software you don't like, let alone give tacit endorsement by teaching it!

The funny thing is (if I may defend my host) that in that gigantic list of yours there is hardly a thing that bugs me. Granted, Logic was untimely plucked from the PC platform, so I may never get a chance to experience its wond'rous awe, but for those of us who "grew up" on Cubase, it's a joy to work with.

That's all.

[Sascha Franck]

but for those of us who "grew up" on Cubase, it's a joy to work with.

Believe it or don't, I grew up with Cubase as well. Started with 1.0/Atari and went all the way along with it until 3.6/PC when I accidentally stumbled over Logic... I was sold in less than two weeks, even if it didn't have VST or DX support back then.

[bduffy]

but for those of us who "grew up" on Cubase, it's a joy to work with.

Believe it or don't, I grew up with Cubase as well. Started with 1.0/Atari and went all the way along with it until 3.6/PC when I accidentally stumbled over Logic... I was sold in less than two weeks, even if it didn't have VST or DX support back then.

I do believe it. And you have me beat in the "grow up" department; when I started at work, I was a Cakewalk Pro Audio guy. We installed a studio (of sorts) and the consultant talked us into going Nuendo 1.0 and Cubase VST32. Of course I hated them both, but could see real potential with the life-like mixer and VSTi's.

Slowly I got used to Nuendo. But any attempts to make music in VST32 just couldn't happen; I could not understand it. Granted, I'm not the worlds most demanding MIDI-guy, but I'm no slack either - I just could not write with Cubase VST32. So I turned my back on it and got pretty good at Nuendo, but still favoured Sonar by far.

Then SX came out, and after sitting down with my brother for one night, it changed how I make music. I fell in love with Cubase. The changes between then and now felt right to me, and I made more music, faster, better, etc.

So I guess I should say that I like post-Nuendo-engine Cubase. For me, the program just gets better and better, but I know there are things that could be better.

Hey - wasn't there just one level of undo in pre-SX Cubase? How did you live with that?

[kritikon]

Hey - wasn't there just one level of undo in pre-SX Cubase? How did you live with that?

Hehehe...you learnt to not make mistakes.

Actually that's not too far wrong - I still rarley use more than one level of undo - it's a habit I developed from using Cubase for so long, and it's not a bad working method - get things right before you render them . I still work in the same way - I save each new version of an edited song under a new name song1, song2 etc etc - so that I can always go back to previous versions - I may have 15 versions before a song is finished.


And all of what Sascha says is all personal opinion, not objective truth. I find Logic exactly as silly as Sascha finds Cubase. I also find it weird that he carps on about quantising so much - traditionally Logic in the old days was always for the "players" rather than the midi people - Cubase was streaks ahead in terms of midi ease of use. Logic was for those that could play it in, and all they wanted was to rearrange parts, whereas Cubase was for those that couldn't play, but could sequence well. (A sweeping generalisation of course!)
So in fact if you used quantisation an awful lot - it was more likey you'd head for Cubase. How Sascha ended up on Illogic is a miracle.

Don't take his silly statmenets about midi editing seriously - if you're into midi, Cubase is hard to beat - I'll agree it's not quite as powerful in midi as it was (they've sacrificed some of the midi wizardry for ever more powerful audio editing), but once you take the time to learn it properly (as with any host) thing like the Logical Editor are a huge tool - there's little you can't do with midi in just that one page. You can transform midi events selectively or en masse and even intelligently without resorting to fancy gimmicks like mouse tools.

And anyway - quantising - so what? Personally I never use quantising on anything. I'd rather use the powerful Cubase midi features to do my own timing than have some robotic quantiser restrict everything I do.
Do many people really use quantising regularly? (I've been known to do it to capture beatloop timings etc, but I rarely use it on my instruments.)

It really is down to what features you personally use the most. If Sascha can't play a note in time to save his life - that can be the only reason he uses Illogic (which is odd when you think about it, because it used to be those people who bought Cubase instead) So has it reversed nowadays? That only the serious musicians use Cubase, and only the pretenders use Illogic?