Sytrus, best 59$ I've spent in a while!

[woodie]

I picked up Sytrus on the Group Buy as well and it's one very cool little tool with the capability of a HUGE array of sounds. Most of it is over my head, but I also noticed it can get quite heavy as well on a number of patches. If I can get a strangle on things, I'll be using this baby alot.

@ nebulae: I use Sytrus in Live (never have used FL Studio). I'm a first time user of Sytrus, so can't comment on the portamento bit, sorry. Sounds cool, though!

I don't think I'll be visiting their "Message Boards" much...the real small text, the tree-like structure and the way the board is setup, in general, really bugs me...and I've only visited it maybe twice? I MUCH prefer the phpBB / VBulletin style boards. So being selfish...I hope they go this route as I'll surely feel more inclined to drop by there and contribute to discussions.

[Radek]

In summary, it is a very scalable synth that you will have for some time.

Yes of course but what are you really saying here? That Sytrus when used as just VA has low cpu utilisation? But... this isn't the point of this synth to be used just as a VA, is it? Sytrus is about all those complex (and cpu demanding) patches and they are awesome. Unfortunately at a cost.

[nebulae]

@ nebulae: I use Sytrus in Live (never have used FL Studio). I'm a first time user of Sytrus, so can't comment on the portamento bit, sorry. Sounds cool, though!

I don't think I'll be visiting their "Message Boards" much...the real small text, the tree-like structure and the way the board is setup, in general, really bugs me...and I've only visited it maybe twice? I MUCH prefer the phpBB / VBulletin style boards. So being selfish...I hope they go this route as I'll surely feel more inclined to drop by there and contribute to discussions.

I also use Live and not FL Studio. The portamento is basically where one note slides into another note over time. On other synths, it's knowns as glide or bend. Every two-bit synth has it. On the VSTi version of Sytrus, it doesn't have the feature because the native version of Sytrus plugs into FL, which has native support for Portamento on all its native synths.

Basically, we bought into a synth that has tons of features but lacks an important basic one mainly as an oversight in design. I know the Sytrus group buy is designed to get more people excited about FL, but as a Live 5 owner, I don't ever expect to buy FL Studio. However, as a Sytrus owner, shouldn't I get the same features as those who use FL?

Sorry if this seems like a rant (I'm not really pissed, just perplexed). I just can't get over how a synth as powerful as Sytrus can lack such a fundamentally basic feature. Even the goddamn Tau had this feature from like 5 years ago!!!

If you guys just popped in a few notes in teh Looptalk forum, it would really help get this feature pushed through. Thanks much for taking the effort - it's just a few clicks....

[bmanic]

I don't think it helps getting anything pushed trough. Gol already knows it's missing so he will probably implement it when he feels like it.

If you've bought sytrus you can go post your wishes yourself and if you still have not bought it and the lack of portamento keeps you from doing it then I can only give you a big:

- bManic

[nebulae]

I don't think it helps getting anything pushed trough. Gol already knows it's missing so he will probably implement it when he feels like it.

If you've bought sytrus you can go post your wishes yourself and if you still have not bought it and the lack of portamento keeps you from doing it then I can only give you a big:

- bManic

I appreciate the vote of confidence. (not really)

I did buy it, and Frederick (vsti developer at Imageline) told me to post requests on the forum. I thought it might help if Gol knew I wasn't the only person who wanted it.

We'll just stay silent and hope he can read our minds, as that is clearly the most efficient way to get this done.

And by the way, those of you enjoying the midi learn function - that happened sooner rather than later because I (among others) made requests. I wonder how long it might have taken to get done if I sat around and did nothing.

Oh and one other example (so you can flame me real good) - Live 5 is what it is today because the users made lots and lots of requests...

[diverdee]

I believe gol has stated a number of times that the portamento issue is not a problem with sytrus itself but with every other host except fruity that doesn't implement the feature natively like fruity does.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it.
Then again I may be proven wrong, which would be pleasant.

[LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY]

@ nebulae: I use Sytrus in Live (never have used FL Studio). I'm a first time user of Sytrus, so can't comment on the portamento bit, sorry. Sounds cool, though!

I don't think I'll be visiting their "Message Boards" much...the real small text, the tree-like structure and the way the board is setup, in general, really bugs me...and I've only visited it maybe twice? I MUCH prefer the phpBB / VBulletin style boards. So being selfish...I hope they go this route as I'll surely feel more inclined to drop by there and contribute to discussions.

I also use Live and not FL Studio. The portamento is basically where one note slides into another note over time. On other synths, it's knowns as glide or bend. Every two-bit synth has it. On the VSTi version of Sytrus, it doesn't have the feature because the native version of Sytrus plugs into FL, which has native support for Portamento on all its native synths.

Basically, we bought into a synth that has tons of features but lacks an important basic one mainly as an oversight in design. I know the Sytrus group buy is designed to get more people excited about FL, but as a Live 5 owner, I don't ever expect to buy FL Studio. However, as a Sytrus owner, shouldn't I get the same features as those who use FL?

Sorry if this seems like a rant (I'm not really pissed, just perplexed). I just can't get over how a synth as powerful as Sytrus can lack such a fundamentally basic feature. Even the goddamn Tau had this feature from like 5 years ago!!!

If you guys just popped in a few notes in the Looptalk forum, it would really help get this feature pushed through. Thanks much for taking the effort - it's just a few clicks....

Your absolutely right.. We deserve port.

[Hink]

And by the way, those of you enjoying the midi learn function - that happened sooner rather than later because I (among others) made requests.

thank you

[tony tony chopper]

Would be lovely to have per oscillator portamento for some nice pads that slowly tune them selves to the pitches you play.

per-oscillator porta, that could be interesting. If I find a place for a new checkbox in the operator tab, OR I could think of a way to stick it in the envelopes themselves (a special porta point, so you could define your own porta curve & length there).

However this would only work for porta, but wouldn't turn sytrus into a mono synth. I can't really imagine a mono mode working on some operators only.

[gbles]

Yes of course but what are you really saying here? That Sytrus when used as just VA has low cpu utilisation? But... this isn't the point of this synth to be used just as a VA, is it?

I'm saying what I rounded my comment off with, that it is a very scalable synth. If you reduce it to the level of your basic VA then it is just as efficient.
As for the point of the synth, generally, I don't use heavy unison, which is one of the main items that tax the CPU. I don't consider this to mean that I'm not using Sytrus to its potential. It doesn't need to have everything switched on to be a great synth. There are many other features, which are not-CPU heavy, that make this my favourite synth. For instance, the excellent envelope system and having envelopes/LFOs for a bunch of different things on every operator. It is possible to have complex patches using these features without making the patch CPU demanding.

[nebulae]

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[bmanic]

Would be lovely to have per oscillator portamento for some nice pads that slowly tune them selves to the pitches you play.

per-oscillator porta, that could be interesting. If I find a place for a new checkbox in the operator tab, OR I could think of a way to stick it in the envelopes themselves (a special porta point, so you could define your own porta curve & length there).

Yes, this sounds interesting. I've built a couple of synths in Reaktor that have portamento per oscillator. It's a useful feature and lovely to abuse it.

However this would only work for porta, but wouldn't turn sytrus into a mono synth. I can't really imagine a mono mode working on some operators only.

Yes, this would be a problem in mono mode. Some kind of compromise needs to be done (portamento being global while in mono mode?).

Cheers!
bManic

[ATS]

I think Sytrus is worth the full $179. At $59 everyone should grab it!!

[Rabid]

Yes of course but what are you really saying here? That Sytrus when used as just VA has low cpu utilisation? But... this isn't the point of this synth to be used just as a VA, is it?

I'm saying what I rounded my comment off with, that it is a very scalable synth. If you reduce it to the level of your basic VA then it is just as efficient.
....

When I originally asked this question I was not really referring to scalability, but comparison to FM7. I understand that CPU can vary with the complexity of the patch, but that is also true with FM7. However, FM7 is one of the most CPU efficient VSTi's on the market. Rhino, another favorite synth, is very heavy on the CPU and I tend to only use it when only it can create the sound I want. So I'm just wondering, with similar patch construction and sound, how does Sytrus compare?

Robert

[Stupid American Pig]

Rhino and sytrus are very similar. I think that Rhino has a harsher brighter sound than sytrus in general, and sytrus is smoother sounding. I find it easier to fit rhino in a mix than sytrus. They both are great, and very inspirational.

Between Sytrus, Rhino and Dimension Pro, I dont ever ever ever need a VST synth again. I cant imagine not being able to find a sound I want between any of the three.