considering sonar 5 upgrade

[Doug1]

Soinar 5 all the way baby.
perfect space rocks.
Best sounding mix engine i have ever heard.

[chagzuki]

I dig the specs on paper, but on trying out Sonar 5 (admittedly fairly briefly) I found it repulsive. Clunky & clumbsy. Does come with a great set of plugins though.

Why not try eXT?

[manytone]

Funny how people can find different things repulsive, clunky, & clumbsy.

I have both Sonar 5 and EXT .... I find EXT to be a bit Awkward meself... Don't get me wrong though ... I use it a bit for preset design and noodling around, but when it comes to recording Sonar 5 is Smooth sailing here!

I keep trying to get into EXT but keep going back to Sonar here! It's about what works best for you.
Paul

[Beardedone]

I agree with you Paul. Though I do like many of eXTs features, Sonar is so smooth to use.

[chagzuki]

Ah well, there you go. Often it's the case that knowing one or two essential key commands transforms your workflow completely. eXT is still a bit clunky. I'm halfway between eXT and T2.

[Hink]

I got Sonar 5, but I still use FL for starting my tracks, creating drum parts and such....Sonar 5 really has made Adobe Audtition a little more obsolete for me (not completely though). I mostly use it for audio...and of course if I want to add a soft synth part or change one I don't have to go back to FL unless I want to. However as a wave editor AA still is my best option, but I can honestly say I'm glad I upgraded to Sonar 5, even though I use to hate Crapwalk Home Toilet 2002xl.

[manytone]

I got Sonar 5, but I still use FL for starting my tracks, creating drum parts and such....Sonar 5 really has made Adobe Audtition a little more obsolete for me (not completely though). I mostly use it for audio...and of course if I want to add a soft synth part or change one I don't have to go back to FL unless I want to. However as a wave editor AA still is my best option, but I can honestly say I'm glad I upgraded to Sonar 5, even though I use to hate Crapwalk Home Toilet 2002xl.

Yes ... I find it best to work in a few apps too...
Like you Hink ... I do alot of my pre VSTi and drum work in Orion most of the time (or Fruity), Then I import it into Sonar for Final stages .... Guitars, Vox etc etc.

The Included stuff in Sonar5 Producer is incredible... The Roland V Vocal alone is freaking me out.

Paul

[Hink]

I got Sonar 5, but I still use FL for starting my tracks, creating drum parts and such....Sonar 5 really has made Adobe Audtition a little more obsolete for me (not completely though). I mostly use it for audio...and of course if I want to add a soft synth part or change one I don't have to go back to FL unless I want to. However as a wave editor AA still is my best option, but I can honestly say I'm glad I upgraded to Sonar 5, even though I use to hate Crapwalk Home Toilet 2002xl.

Yes ... I find it best to work in a few apps too...
Like you Hink ... I do alot of my pre VSTi and drum work in Orion most of the time (or Fruity), Then I import it into Sonar for Final stages .... Guitars, Vox etc etc.

The Included stuff in Sonar5 Producer is incredible... The Roland V Vocal alone is freaking me out.

Paul

I have auto-tune 4 (haven't got a finished song with it yet though) so I bought Studio edition. But now that I have found out how good sonar 5 is, I will upgrade next month. I want the eqs on every channel.

Important point to remember when using V Vocal or other correctors, always make it the first step in processing, it works best with a raw, untouched track. In fact I was told by a really helpful tech at Antares to just track with it, but I'm not comfortable with tracking with any effects.

But yeah I do jump from app to app. The one let down on sonar is the work around for Dfh Superior and tbh I like FL's piano roll better then any other applications. It's always nice too many tools then not enough...

[manytone]

Hey Hink
V Vocal works a bit different as you basically clone a track into a V Vocal track and it works direct on the Clip. So this, definately puts it first step.

The other neat thing with V Vocal is that you can adjust the timing and phrasing, so if you messed a vocal line a bit timing wise ....you can drag it back or forth word for word ... Really quite a neat thing.
Ya .. we are spoiled bigtime! Now if i can only learn to master it all
Paul

[Bradster]

... even though I use to hate Crapwalk Home Toilet 2002xl.

Funny, that was my first CW product and I found it less than impressive also. Clunky and buggy. But what can you expect from a recycled SONAR codebase?

I looked briefly into Cubase, but after finding out about the dongle I ran screaming and ever looked back. Then picked up FL 5 and eventually P5.

S4 and now S5 though is mucho better than the HS 2002 line.

It's all about the Fives. (I have Acid 5 also).


p.s. Hink, where 'bouts in N.E. are ya at?

[Hink]

p.s. Hink, where 'bouts in N.E. are ya at?

right on the Merrimac river 5 miles south of Nashua New Hampshire...in Lowell, but as far from downtown as you can be...

[Bradster]

right on the Merrimac river 5 miles south of Nashua New Hampshire...in Lowell, but as far from downtown as you can be...

Small world. I was born in Nashua and lived for a time in Lowell (Nesmith St., just down from Shedd pahk).

I also lived in Boston for most of the 90's, about a mile from Cakewalk. Hmmmm...maybe that's why I like 'em so much?



Don't miss the winters though.


Oops, it appears I've hijacked this thread. As you were...

[Hink]

right on the Merrimac river 5 miles south of Nashua New Hampshire...in Lowell, but as far from downtown as you can be...

Small world. I was born in Nashua and lived for a time in Lowell (Nesmith St., just down from Shedd pahk).

I also lived in Boston for most of the 90's, about a mile from Cakewalk. Hmmmm...maybe that's why I like 'em so much?



Don't miss the winters though.


Oops, it appears I've hijacked this thread. As you were...

I worked for Daddy's in Nashua for my last stint in retail....I'm right at the rourke bridge on Middlesex street (behind the plaza)...I also worked for Action music in Davis Square in the 90's (not far from Cakewalk either)....then I went to Mars in Natick ..

[Bradster]

I worked for Daddy's in Nashua for my last stint in retail....I'm right at the rourke bridge on Middlesex street (behind the plaza)...I also worked for Action music in Davis Square in the 90's (not far from Cakewalk either)....then I went to Mars in Natick ..

This keeps getting better... I used work just down the street from you, across from the Happy Budda (is that still there?). This was about 1983-84 when the "temporary" Rourke bridge was being built (so that's still there?). Not the crowning achievement of civil engineering by any stretch, but it did relieve traffic.

Used to do a lot of business with Daddy's but with mixed feelings. They did have the volume though. Bought my first guitar at the Salem store...ahem...too many years ago. I think it was a Hondo II LP copy.

So did you get sweet employee discounts from Daddy?

[Hink]

Discounts from the store were fair, discounts on used gear were tougher. Basically if it stuck around for a while you'd get a deal. But if we got in through a trade say a Black Faced Fender they wouldn't sell it too me because they could get more and quickly...so the store discounts were okay. But the discounts from the companies was cool, and prizes won selling. If I bought new gear most companies would give us 10% below cost, but you had to get it direct from them.

BTW the bridge is still the same and the traffic sucks, fortunately I rarely need to cross the bridge during peak hours so it doesn't effect me much. But that bridge was a good idea, to bad that never actually built a bridg. It's still a temporary bridge, if an ambulance or other emergency vehicles (and it's right on the route to Lowell General) it's so narrow you just have nowhere to go.

At the time you lived here I was living in Bedford, then moved out Winchendon to go to school at Mount Wachusset. Lowell and Nashua have change a lot. Like headlines rules now, they have moved and are huge.

The Daniel Webster Highway has every store in countless plazas, a big mall and still tax free. However Shakey's is no more... I drank a lot of beer at Shakey's). Lowell has been cleaning up over the years, except for downtown. Thankfully Santoro's still is in business..but I dont go downtown often...hell I don't go out often..