Live instruments and how I've missed them

[butter]

I think some people missed what I meant by "live instrument" here. I was referring to an instrument that exists outside of my computer. Not playing an instrument at a show or playing shows.

[wrench45us]

if a certain group has success because they can keep it in the pocket and lock together well, wouldn't you think that a half-decent multi-instumentalist would be able to OD tracks and achieve a solid, unique groove based soley on the fact that feel and timing will remain consistent, everything is being played by the person that needs to lock the bass guitar to the kick and such....

no because with a group there's a sense of listening to each other and give and take and pushing and pulling on the groove
imo it would take a special talent to listen and overdub on what's already actually been played vs. what one thought one had already played. my guess is Prince can do this and I can't think of anyone else.
maybe Sir Paul -- i think i read he did some of this with the latest effort, but it's not like he's really working it.

[paradiddle]

my guess is Prince can do this and I can't think of anyone else.

Plenty of people do it like that. Stevie Wonder, Lenny Kravitz, Paul Mcartney, Vangelis,John Carpenter, just to name a few. A lot of persons I know do it like that also (my keyboard player for ex.)

If you have a good idea of where your song is headed, you can do it too.

I love and I'm always amazed to hear thoses types of albums also, I think they really show the song from the perspective of the composer (I'm not talking about the sequenced type of music).

[splattabreakz]

my guess is Prince can do this and I can't think of anyone else.

Plenty of people do it like that. Stevie Wonder, Lenny Kravitz, Paul Mcartney, Vangelis,John Carpenter, just to name a few. A lot of persons I know do it like that also (my keyboard player for ex.)

If you have a good idea of where your song is headed, you can do it too.

I love and I'm always amazed to hear thoses types of albums also, I think they really show the song from the perspective of the composer (I'm not talking about the sequenced type of music).

i just got into that way of doing things, cant actually play any instruments apart from the drums but i'll jam for say 20 mins on a few instruments (rhodes, upright, vibes, drums) n there will be at least 3 mins of stuff in the for me to edit into a funky track

i got 2 jams recorded so far and will start editing tomoz, lookin forward to it.

you definatley catch a vibe if you do it all in one session.

[funkychickendance]

I would love to hear that someone found footage of Miles Davis from 67-74. To see them all play stuff from Bitches Brew through Get Up WIth It would rock my world.

There's a DVD of Miles at the Isle of Wight festival, 1970, called "A Different Kind of Blue". Red Distribution, 2004. 84 mins, of which 38 mins is the live set, featuring Jack DeJohnette, Chick Corea, Keith Jarrett, Gary Bartz and Dave Holland. Available on Amazon for $14.99

That do ya?

There's supposed to have been quite a bit of other footage from that era unearthed recently, too.

/fcd
"Sure, you can make a record as good as 'On The Corner'. Now make it in 1974."

[androidlove]

my guess is Prince can do this and I can't think of anyone else.

Plenty of people do it like that. Stevie Wonder, Lenny Kravitz, Paul Mcartney, Vangelis,John Carpenter, just to name a few. A lot of persons I know do it like that also (my keyboard player for ex.)

If you have a good idea of where your song is headed, you can do it too.

I love and I'm always amazed to hear thoses types of albums also, I think they really show the song from the perspective of the composer (I'm not talking about the sequenced type of music).

dave grohl
pardon me

[ross g]

my guess is Prince can do this and I can't think of anyone else.

Plenty of people do it like that. Stevie Wonder, Lenny Kravitz, Paul Mcartney, Vangelis,John Carpenter, just to name a few. A lot of persons I know do it like that also (my keyboard player for ex.)

If you have a good idea of where your song is headed, you can do it too.

I love and I'm always amazed to hear thoses types of albums also, I think they really show the song from the perspective of the composer (I'm not talking about the sequenced type of music).

you know what i'm talking about....right on

i think stevie is a real good example, what about "hello it's me" or "i saw the light" (great blue eyed soul imho) by todd, you mentioned paul and "it's coming up" is an under apprieciated gem....

my favorite prince lp is "dirty mind", didn't he do most of that himself?....that is such a friggen good record....

i really want to hear from those who have the ability, it's very interesting to me....not trying to take the thread over, mind you....



rg

[ross g]

if a certain group has success because they can keep it in the pocket and lock together well, wouldn't you think that a half-decent multi-instumentalist would be able to OD tracks and achieve a solid, unique groove based soley on the fact that feel and timing will remain consistent, everything is being played by the person that needs to lock the bass guitar to the kick and such....

no because with a group there's a sense of listening to each other and give and take and pushing and pulling on the groove
imo it would take a special talent to listen and overdub on what's already actually been played vs. what one thought one had already played. my guess is Prince can do this and I can't think of anyone else.
maybe Sir Paul -- i think i read he did some of this with the latest effort, but it's not like he's really working it.

you mention listening to each other, but the whole idea of listening is to hear what the other person is doing....if you already know what you did and you obviously have the same sense of timing as the person you are playing along with (YOU!), wouldn't you think that you got the advantage right off?

NOTE: i'm curious because i started out on drums first, i'm trying to put a kit together....i've never actually done a tune playing the whole rhythm section myself (in fact all of my recordings have midi'ed drums, sad) i'd like to kinow about those who do it all alone, the problems, the triumps, etc...


rg

[dry bones]

By default I have to play everything myself, and at least half of the content of my stuff is played on real instruments. It's more satisfying to make sounds with something physical for me- you can't replicate the nuances of playing guitar or trombone with software.

[dover666]

I've got a Jackson Guitar. It's pretty sweet....

[paradiddle]

i just got into that way of doing things, cant actually play any instruments apart from the drums but i'll jam for say 20 mins on a few instruments (rhodes, upright, vibes, drums) n there will be at least 3 mins of stuff in the for me to edit into a funky track

i got 2 jams recorded so far and will start editing tomoz, lookin forward to it.

you definatley catch a vibe if you do it all in one session.

I do remember you went to study drums for a year or so. That's a few years back I think. Maybe you could post some of theses jams when you are done recording and editing them. I'd like to hear them.

dave grohl
pardon me

Yes of course, I like Dave Grohl also. Matt Cameron is another example. Sings and plays guitar also on tracks.
The ones I mentioned are just some that came from the top of my head. I'm sure there's a ton of people over here that do it like that also.

I really want to hear from those who have the ability, it's very interesting to me....not trying to take the thread over, mind you....

I think everybody has the ability. It takes a certain frame of mind (a vision) ,confidence and dedication to do it. That's all.

I did some like that but I usually prefer to accompany people on drums. I tend to get bored just doing everything myself if I don't do it fast. I find a lot more interesting to interact with other people either in composition or improvisation.

In the band I'm playing, all the other three musicians are composers and they sing and play multiple instruments. I don't push a direction onto them but push more in the directions they are going.
Just trying to make them feel confortable on their instruments. That's the thing I enjoy most in music.

And I don't your trying to take the thread over. Everybody has something to say!

[splattabreakz]

NOTE: i'm curious because i started out on drums first, i'm trying to put a kit together....i've never actually done a tune playing the whole rhythm section myself (in fact all of my recordings have midi'ed drums, sad) i'd like to know about those who do it all alone, the problems, the triumps, etc...

only done it 2wice so far but what works for me is playing along with a loop i really like, one that captures the feel of what i'm trying to get in the jam and something that lets me know where i am so i dont slip out of time too much (my mind wanders when i'm in the zone )

the loop was africa bambaata - planet rock

[dover666]

I play grindcore drums. GRRRR, it's fun to go nuts!

[ross g]

I think everybody has the ability. It takes a certain frame of mind (a vision) ,confidence and dedication to do it. That's all.

I did some like that but I usually prefer to accompany people on drums. I tend to get bored just doing everything myself if I don't do it fast. I find a lot more interesting to interact with other people either in composition or improvisation.


And I don't your trying to take the thread over. Everybody has something to say!

i tend to get too bored to take things to any actual full song structure...i'll come up with a cool pattern on a synth, or riff on guitar or bass, but to actually bring them to any logical conclusion is pretty damn difficult...i enjoy jamming with friends too, but then i get frustrated that we don't play all the stuff i start thinking about we just stick with standard blues and such....

funny, just now my kids fell asleep and it's now too late to make noise...that ain't helping either!

i know, excuses, excuses...i envy you people who knock 'em out...

i hope to force a musical shit out by my post 1000 or 1/1/06-whichever comes first!

(thanks for that last comment on the thread take-over paradiddle)



rg

[ross g]

NOTE: i'm curious because i started out on drums first, i'm trying to put a kit together....i've never actually done a tune playing the whole rhythm section myself (in fact all of my recordings have midi'ed drums, sad) i'd like to know about those who do it all alone, the problems, the triumps, etc...

only done it 2wice so far but what works for me is playing along with a loop i really like, one that captures the feel of what i'm trying to get in the jam and something that lets me know where i am so i dont slip out of time too much (my mind wanders when i'm in the zone )

the loop was africa bambaata - planet rock

i have to say, i've yet to play with a loop...not that i haven't played along with songs and such....(and i ripped off some samples from a couple techno/dance cds to get a project done once )

when you do that, are you able to come up with an original idea and move beyond the loop so to speak? like, uhh... it would be cool to start from "planetrock" (cool tune,they were jamming with kraftwerk to make it!), and then kill the loop and build your own tune...is that you are describing?


rg