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Highvoltage · Post by **Highvoltage** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:07 am

damn youre deaf or what? this thing makes the difference. subtle it is. but how some of the models warm up the mid frequencies... mhhhhhhhh

putte · Post by **putte** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 2:33 am

.. you ask why i´m SO cheering?

well, if you´re eager to get some warmth into your digital production .. colortone pro!
i was and still am already amazed by hydratone, but this one does something i didnt expect: killing digitality ..

again: i cant say how much i love Colortone Pro ..

putte

Johnny Cherry · Post by **Johnny Cherry** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:48 am

People who say colortone free doesn't do much, try it on a drum buss, bring the input level up as much as you can without it clipping and then bring the output down. Set it to LA-3 and increase colour.

3*s · Post by **3*s** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:27 pm

Pantsdown666 wrote:
3*s wrote:Smells like a bit of mac snobbery.
"Subtle differences" are now a sign of mac snobbery

...nnno.

That wasn't my point at all.

They release a mostly useless plug for PC, then don't provide the real product for pc, just mac.

That reminds me a lot of what Emagic did with their plugins after Apple aquired them. Basically just an advertisement for Mac DAWs.

"We're a Mac software company, but we will release this product so you will know our company if you ever decide to get a mac. The free one isn't good enough? Well get a mac and you can try the real one!! We might release the pro version for pc if we've exhausted our Mac market (pluggo)."

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:01 pm

Are there any Mac users here that can compare the free version to the pro version?
Is there a difference to the basic sound? or is it just additional options and controls?
PUTTE?

100below · Post by **100below** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:27 pm

AndrewSimon wrote:Are there any Mac users here that can compare the free version to the pro version?
Is there a difference to the basic sound? or is it just additional options and controls?
PUTTE?

I see four primary differences between the free and Pro versions.

•Free comes with 10 models, Pro comes with 29.

•Pro allows you to add additional IRs and supports a variety of file formats. Pro users (and TriTone), have already posted several good impulses and many others are available around the net that generally require little or no tweaking to work well in Pro. Pro also comes with easy instructions for making impulses from your own gear.

•Pro seems to have more color when set to max. (Less subtle)

•Pro has a dynamic mode called “Blend”, which applies more “color” to louder parts dynamically. This does a good job of emulating the “real world” where louder passages will typically drive tape or analog hardware deeper into Color/Distortion. This feature is unique to ColorTone-Pro.

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TriTone has announced their desire to build a PC version of Pro. It is technical issues, not Mac snobbery that is holding up the PC side. As a user of both Macs and PCs in my studio, I am hoping that a PC version does happen eventually.

Two quick examples of use out of many:

• “Spacey tape” from Pro is an impulse that is purported to have come from a Roland Space Echo. Placed before any digital echo, it does a great job of bringing back that classic sound.

•Many of the impulses will help close the gap between software synths and the hardware equivalent, bringing more life to tracks. I like the 15ips tape impulse for this but many settings seem to help.

Personally, I think the free version is also quite useful and not as subtle as many people have stated.

After a few weeks working with the beta and now the real plugin, I am ready to state that I cannot envision any future mixes done ITB without using ColorTone.

Gene Lennon
No financial affiliation with TriTone Digital.

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 12:43 am

Thanks 100below
PC PRO version?
I hope they do it.

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 4:49 am

Either those people who can hear the effect of the free version have ears like bats or this is the emperors new clothes.

I cranked the output all the way up and used it on drums and not a difference it made. If I can tell the difference between the Sony Oxford EQ and the UAD-1 Cambridge EQ I reckon my ears are capable of picking up subtle differences.

zimba · Post by **zimba** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 5:10 am

Im still waiting for the Hydratone PC upgrade that was promised ions ago. Personally I hope thats released before a Colortone Pro PC version. But either way, PC definately takes the backseat with Tritone. Bummer cause I love there stuff.

Henke · Post by **Henke** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:47 am

munchkin wrote:Either those people who can hear the effect of the free version have ears like bats or this is the emperors new clothes.

I cranked the output all the way up and used it on drums and not a difference it made. If I can tell the difference between the Sony Oxford EQ and the UAD-1 Cambridge EQ I reckon my ears are capable of picking up subtle differences.

Really?

To me it's anything but subtle! If you can't hear the difference, there must be something wrong with your plugin...
Here's a plot of the frequency response of the 1960-impulse, at 100% color:
http://www11.brinkster.com/gustafsson/colortone.html

Very strange if this frequency response isn't audible on your system...

steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:41 am

why not just post some mp3 demos with the ColorTone Free, wich u dont hear any difference on. would solve things i guess.. (or perhaps not

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Rangtangtang · Post by **Rangtangtang** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:45 am

I think the colortone free concept interesting but I too thought that converlution effect was rather subtle. I wonder what the latency would be for colortone? I sought of think maybe coloring the sound that way might fatten it too much and it might not layer to well whith converlution reverb. You could do the same thing whith SIR?

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 11:59 am

zimba wrote:Im still waiting for the Hydratone PC upgrade that was promised ions ago. Personally I hope thats released before a Colortone Pro PC version. But either way, PC definately takes the backseat with Tritone. Bummer cause I love there stuff.

Don't worry, there are plenty of examples on the mac side of just the opposite. In fact a key difference in snobbery is that eventually everything commercially made for mac seems to find it's way to PC, but that simply isn't the case with everything PC.
Given that, I would say the snobbery on the mac side is almost always short lived, yet the backseat isn't even a proper metaphor for certain PC software vendors. So yeah I feel your pain.

I'm afraid to try Hydratone or Colortone, last time I listened to Putte I bought Vintage Warmer, not that I regret it, but I need new monitors.

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:41 pm

Henke wrote:
munchkin wrote:Either those people who can hear the effect of the free version have ears like bats or this is the emperors new clothes.

I cranked the output all the way up and used it on drums and not a difference it made. If I can tell the difference between the Sony Oxford EQ and the UAD-1 Cambridge EQ I reckon my ears are capable of picking up subtle differences.
Really?
To me it's anything but subtle! If you can't hear the difference, there must be something wrong with your plugin...
Here's a plot of the frequency response of the 1960-impulse, at 100% color:
http://www11.brinkster.com/gustafsson/colortone.html

Very strange if this frequency response isn't audible on your system...

I'm not an oscilloscope, I'm a musician so frequency response charts don't mean much to me. I'm not the only one who can't hear the free version of this effect in action - even on the highest settings so I imagine that has to change if the devs want to sell the Pro version to us.

martian · Post by **martian** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:58 pm

just thought id chime in.

i dont find this effect that subtle. it can be though with some of the impulses, when colour is at its lowest and output a couple of notches up to compensate bypass volume.

sorry no help, but either its not working or you need to listen harder.

Anyone tried ColorTone Pro?