KVR Audio

Roman Empire · Post by **Roman Empire** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:27 pm

Weird, I can also see my joystick showing up in the remote devices list, but there's no parameters there for it.
And yeah, there ain't much help in the manual about this topic

I tried something else.. I addede a generic remote device, and as input I was allowed to choose the joystickctrl plugin. But unfortunately, still after fiddling a bit, I didn't hear any changes when I was pulling it, pressing its buttons etc...
I hope the joystickctrl programmer will be around here soon

ouroboros · Post by **ouroboros** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:48 pm

nicfit has a joystick to cc plugin on his site

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:52 pm

AdmiralQuality wrote:A hardware synth wouldn't play as a plugin. It would play as an incoming audio track. You'd just route one of your MIDI tracks' outputs to your hardware interface's MIDI out instead of to the usual soft-synth input, that's plugged (with a cable) into your hardware synth, and the sound comes back in through a regular audio inputs and track.

And as mentioned above, there ARE joystick plug-in solutions out there. It just doesn't (seem to) be a built-in feature of the host.

No there's supposed to be an external instrument plugin like there is an external effect plugin but the documentation (on Steinberg's site) doesn't cover that either.

Roman Empire · Post by **Roman Empire** » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:09 pm

ouroboros wrote:nicfit has a joystick to cc plugin on his site

Who is nicfit, and does it come with a good tutorial?

Edit - did a googlesearch, and found that it was nfjoy you're refering to. Didn't have success with that one either...

palomo · Post by **palomo** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:01 am

For example a quick google led me to:

http://vinuesa.club.fr/projet-flou/engl ... ckctrl.htm This one even claims to work in Ableton! Shit!

(Haven't tried it yet.)

this one claims to work in ableton...
...because it works in ableton (at least live 3 and 4)

in order to use it you have install midiyoke
http://www.midiox.com/index.htm?http:// ... /myoke.htm

set one of the midi in of ableton to a virtual midi port (for instance NT1)
put my plug in any ableton live insert (I have designed it for live 3.0 so it's a vst not a vsti)
set the midi out of my plug to "external midi out" > "midi out port NT1"

now it works inside ableton (or cubase or any other vqt host I suppose)like an external midi controler!
advantage? you keep the joystickctrl setting in your song;

let me know if you have compatibility issue with live 5 I havn't do enough test with it, but I use it with live 3.0 for 2 years now..

I currently works on new version with a lot of improvment...

palomo · Post by **palomo** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:12 am

a thing I have forget:

put the joystick ctrl monitor on and try different joystick number
in joystickctrl even you have only one joystick connected (joystick number in joystickctrl and windows should not be the same, some windows mistery...)

Ja.x · Post by **Ja.x** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:19 am

I'm not a Cubase user, but I use this: http://www.trust.com/products/product.aspx?artnr=13016

And this: http://fr.audiofanzine.com/news/index,i ... 53391.html

... in eXT and it works fine

. Of course 1st place you have to configure it in the Control Panel.

[edit] original site: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/silicon_silicium/index.html

Roman Empire · Post by **Roman Empire** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:55 am

palomo wrote:a thing I have forget:

put the joystick ctrl monitor on and try different joystick number
in joystickctrl even you have only one joystick connected (joystick number in joystickctrl and windows should not be the same, some windows mistery...)

Hi, thanks for your help.
I had success from the very beginning seeing reactions on the monitor when using the joystick - I remember that I had to change to joystick #1, I think.
But nomatter what, it still does not do anything to the vsti under which it's inserted as a plugin.
Anyway, if midiyoke can change this, I'll definately try installing that when I come home!

Roman Empire · Post by **Roman Empire** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:59 am

Ja.x wrote:I'm not a Cubase user, but I use this: http://www.trust.com/products/product.aspx?artnr=13016

And this: http://fr.audiofanzine.com/news/index,i ... 53391.html

... in eXT and it works fine . Of course 1st place you have to configure it in the Control Panel.

[edit] original site: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/silicon_silicium/index.html

THat one I tried as well, and it does respond - graphically - to my joystick movements. But I dunno still how to have it controlling my vsti's.
Also, this plugin I could not see the slider on my joystick in, and that's for me pretty important. Is it possible to customize it to such additional things on the joystick?

Ja.x · Post by **Ja.x** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:23 pm

After you have installed the game pad (in control panel), you have to define the midi cc's you assign to the movements (in Shoryuken or other plug): in my case I assigned 74 (cutoff) to the 'x' axis, 71 (resonance) to 'y' and 01 (modulation) to 'z'; a bit redundant this last one, because of the wheel, but then I can also control modulation with the same hand I'm using for cutoff and frequency,

Roman Empire · Post by **Roman Empire** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:07 pm

Ja.x wrote:After you have installed the game pad (in control panel), you have to define the midi cc's you assign to the movements (in Shoryuken or other plug): in my case I assigned 74 (cutoff) to the 'x' axis, 71 (resonance) to 'y' and 01 (modulation) to 'z'; a bit redundant this last one, because of the wheel, but then I can also control modulation with the same hand I'm using for cutoff and frequency,

Hi Ja.x, thanks for your help.
I loaded synth1 into cubase, and added Shoryuken to it as an effect.
I then assigned 74 to X, but still it doesn't change anything in the sound, although I can see in the plugin when I move the joystick

You mean the Control Panel under Windows, right?
There I can't do much with my joystick, but do you simply mean that it needs to be showing there? In that case, at least it's visible there under game controllers...

Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

Ja.x · Post by **Ja.x** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:22 pm

You have to assign the plug to it . On Synth1 press Opt/midi, then try to assign cc74 to filter freq, and cc71 to filter resonance, for example, or any other parameters you feel like.

[edit] Anyway, if it moves the button in the guy, it is suposed to change the sound, the same way you when you change on Synth1 interface.

Roman Empire · Post by **Roman Empire** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:52 am

Ja.x wrote:You have to assign the plug to it . On Synth1 press Opt/midi, then try to assign cc74 to filter freq, and cc71 to filter resonance, for example, or any other parameters you feel like.

[edit] Anyway, if it moves the button in the guy, it is suposed to change the sound, the same way you when you change on Synth1 interface.

Hmm, that part may be what I'm missing! Gotta try that in the evening - thanks!

palomo · Post by **palomo** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 9:20 pm

Anyway, if midiyoke can change this, I'll definately try installing that when I come home!

if you want to try my plug without midiyoke you have to set midiout port to '"internal midi port"
I don't realy know how it works in cubase (the way the internal midi is used depend of the host) and I havn't test cubase's internal midi yet

generaly I prefear use the external midiyoke port,that's more universal :
in fact with midiyoke you could use joystickctrl exactly as an external controler, just set your host midi-in port to joystictrl midi-out port

you have to know the midi cc number of the parameter you want to control or use the plug midi learn function if this function is available (sometime via right click button), check out your vstis documentation to now how you could set your plug's midi cc

Using USB-joystick and Cubase SX