I find that the most effective thing I've done requires no plug-in whatsoever. I have a look at my guitar part, slice it at appropriate (or sometimes inappropriate!) spots and then set fade-ins. It's a super-easy process in Tracktion, and only barely less so in other hosts that allow you to automate via a drawable "curve" (ie. rather than just in realtime by recording mouse movements).
Greg
Lead Guitar with no attack?
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
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- KVRian
- 1239 posts since 17 Jul, 2003
In K2 you can add a modulator to control sample start, but it doesn't work if DFD is enabled (disk streaming).
Independence allows sample start offset (skip)even in streaming mode, but there I use the advance legato mode as you can also adjust the cross-fade, and this is done automatically, when playing legato or holding the ghost note.
Independence allows sample start offset (skip)even in streaming mode, but there I use the advance legato mode as you can also adjust the cross-fade, and this is done automatically, when playing legato or holding the ghost note.
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- KVRAF
- 7115 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from Sweden
Well, with a delay, and as often heavy reverb, things do flow into each other. And if studio recording a lot of postprocessing can be done as well.AuraCore wrote: Sometimes, those no-attack-notes kind of "flow" into each other, and that wouldn't be possible with volume automation (or, at least, I wouldn't know how to do this).
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- KVRist
- 86 posts since 31 May, 2003
This is a sound I use a lot with a Chapman Stick (volume swell), traditionally I would do it with a volume pedal controlling the signal before the time based effects (so the notes blend) or using the "Slow Gear" effect on a Boss SE-70.
I'm now moving to using Guitar Rig 2 which is absolutely fantastic for this... you can assign an envelope to just about anything (not just volume) everytime you play a note, for example wah or filter cutoff. Here are a couple recording experiments I did recently using only a Stick and GR2 (you could get similar sounds with an electric guitar):
http://wavearts.com/Rob/mp3/NoodleSoup.mp3
http://wavearts.com/Rob/mp3/StarkVision.mp3
I'm now moving to using Guitar Rig 2 which is absolutely fantastic for this... you can assign an envelope to just about anything (not just volume) everytime you play a note, for example wah or filter cutoff. Here are a couple recording experiments I did recently using only a Stick and GR2 (you could get similar sounds with an electric guitar):
http://wavearts.com/Rob/mp3/NoodleSoup.mp3
http://wavearts.com/Rob/mp3/StarkVision.mp3
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
are you playing it or do you want to do it while mixing....if you're playing it use hammer ons on the beats (but not ferocious ones) and back pick some of the notes on the off beats...but again lightly and use the edge of the pick (not the tip) and a subtle horizontal movement along the string while back pickng sounds cool...but it must be subtle....that is something I pride myself in doing well (but more as an exercise)..a very discrimate palm mute is also important...
if you are going to use swells...imo auto-swell is cheesy.....a volume pedal is better...but best is volume swells done with the guitar's volume and hammer-ons (that way you're starting out with a smooth attack, not amplifying an attack and then trying to manipulat the sound post attack...however if your pots are old that might cause a problem...they make a cleaning spray that will often clear up any scratchy noise.
Again if you're trying to play it, try practicing using hmmaer-ons and volume swells to play entire solos you already know well.
I can't help you if you're trying to convert a track already played...I'd just replay it....
if you are going to use swells...imo auto-swell is cheesy.....a volume pedal is better...but best is volume swells done with the guitar's volume and hammer-ons (that way you're starting out with a smooth attack, not amplifying an attack and then trying to manipulat the sound post attack...however if your pots are old that might cause a problem...they make a cleaning spray that will often clear up any scratchy noise.
Again if you're trying to play it, try practicing using hmmaer-ons and volume swells to play entire solos you already know well.
I can't help you if you're trying to convert a track already played...I'd just replay it....
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
I would think a volume pedal would be moot for this on a stick (I sold a stick and got to have a lot of fun with it)...the fact the strings are so slack on the stick, and the fact that the stick is a hammer-on instrument lends itself perfect for such sounds....rpmartino wrote:This is a sound I use a lot with a Chapman Stick (volume swell), traditionally I would do it with a volume pedal controlling the signal before the time based effects (so the notes blend) or using the "Slow Gear" effect on a Boss SE-70.
I'm now moving to using Guitar Rig 2 which is absolutely fantastic for this... you can assign an envelope to just about anything (not just volume) everytime you play a note, for example wah or filter cutoff. Here are a couple recording experiments I did recently using only a Stick and GR2 (you could get similar sounds with an electric guitar):
http://wavearts.com/Rob/mp3/NoodleSoup.mp3
http://wavearts.com/Rob/mp3/StarkVision.mp3
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
not to overstate the obvious, but also the attack gets softer the futher you pick from the bridge...
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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championrabbit championrabbit https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=53166
- KVRian
- 559 posts since 30 Dec, 2004
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
I choose technique over fx whenever possible...championrabbit wrote:Dominion from Digitalfishphones.
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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championrabbit championrabbit https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=53166
- KVRian
- 559 posts since 30 Dec, 2004
That reminds me, how is your throat-reverb technique coming along?!Hink wrote:I choose technique over fx whenever possible...championrabbit wrote:Dominion from Digitalfishphones.
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
greatchampionrabbit wrote:That reminds me, how is your throat-reverb technique coming along?!Hink wrote:I choose technique over fx whenever possible...championrabbit wrote:Dominion from Digitalfishphones.
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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championrabbit championrabbit https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=53166
- KVRian
- 559 posts since 30 Dec, 2004
If I had a crappy comedy TV show of my own (hey, stranger things have happened) I'd definitely do some sketches about anal, technique/analogue recordists!
My first sketch would involve the recordist hiring a team of midgets to hold the drum mics round a kit and run away/back in time with the rhythm to create a more natural compression!
My first sketch would involve the recordist hiring a team of midgets to hold the drum mics round a kit and run away/back in time with the rhythm to create a more natural compression!
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- Rad Grandad
- 38041 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
I told my wife that I would love to see someone fart the national anthem at a ballgame...of course it would have to be done in the studio and sphincter synced for the gamechampionrabbit wrote:If I had a crappy comedy TV show of my own (hey, stranger things have happened) I'd definitely do some sketches about anal, technique/analogue recordists!
My first sketch would involve the recordist hiring a team of midgets to hold the drum mics round a kit and run away/back in time with the rhythm to create a more natural compression!
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 12 posts since 26 Mar, 2006
Lots of very useful suggestions, thanks!
I went the volume automation way for the moment, but I'll be looking into a few of the other techniques / tools that have been posted.
I went the volume automation way for the moment, but I'll be looking into a few of the other techniques / tools that have been posted.