KVR Audio

keyman_sam · Post by **keyman_sam** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:04 am

Lunch money, i dont recall a discussion on this topic. Why? is it fake?

*crosses fingers*

LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY · Wed May 31, 2006 6:06 am

keyman_sam wrote:Ya know, i can clearly see the next-revolution in the software market. Individual devs taking on the big dawgs.

Energy-xt can become the sonar/cubase/live killer with a few more bug fixes/corrections and features. All while keeping the same price point.

Reaper can become an acid/soundforge-killer if it develops at the same rate it does now.

This new vst this swedish guy is developing can become the VSL/Garritan/kirk symphony-killer if he prices the thing under 100 bucks.

Kjarheus and freeware effects like blockfish can kill big companies like Waves and UAD, if they were enhanced with a pro-looking GUI and more features.

I'm telling you man, a revolution is taking place. Soon, we can have a decent/pro-level softstudio for less than 1000 bucks and have the big-companies' products as luxury items IF all goes well as planned. Not that its necessarily a good thing. If jorgen gets hit by a bus, we'll all moan a very great loss indeed - the loss of ext, not jorgen. (j/k - we love ya). so, let those big companies do their thing as well.

If jorgen were to go missing I would suspect steingberg or cakewalk..

But serisouly, i hope he makes his code open source in the event of his death..

Gosh this is so morbid.. (Please don't die!)

anyway, your right about a lot of that, i can see a major change hapening slowly but surely.

crazed one · Post by **crazed one** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:19 am

On topic: This is pretty amazing. More than convincing to me especially if dropped into a mix.

Yeah, if this was under 100 bux... *creams shorts*

P.T. · Post by **P.T.** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:41 am

I just had a listen.
It does sound quite good.
I found the sound of some of the first instruments in the demo to hurt my ears, but that might just be the way it is recorded and proccessed.

Overall it is very expressive and all of the instruments sound real. The sax sounded a bit off in the higher notes.

Unless I get deep into classical music making I don't think I would go for the $400-500 that they are talking about.

If it is a synth and doesn't entail the expense of sampling all of those instruments then I think the regular going price of synths in the $100-300 range is more reasonable.

Other people are bound to make synths with the same technology.

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Wed May 31, 2006 6:59 am

Sounds pretty good, amazing for 100% synth.

Some of the vibrato needs tweaking. You can tell it's a synth, but it's pretty darn good.

I imagine when it's released it'll waste hours and hours of people's time just playing around with it.

keyman_sam · Post by **keyman_sam** » Wed May 31, 2006 7:06 am

And the best of all....NO FRIGGIN SAMPLES.

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Wed May 31, 2006 7:13 am

I don't know what it is, but I just wouldn't be willing to pay $299-$399 for a non-sample-based real-instrument synth. It just doesn't feel like it's worth that much, as opposed to ordering a sample library and getting a couple DVDs full of samples. It does sound good, but I don't know, I guess I just feel more comfortable in the land of wavetable synthesis.

LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY · Wed May 31, 2006 7:34 am

Gregjazz wrote:I don't know what it is, but I just wouldn't be willing to pay $299-$399 for a non-sample-based real-instrument synth. It just doesn't feel like it's worth that much, as opposed to ordering a sample library and getting a couple DVDs full of samples. It does sound good, but I don't know, I guess I just feel more comfortable in the land of wavetable synthesis.

Why are you encouraging software price inflation?

Do you know that is a good week and a half's worth of working min wage>?

Gregjazz · Post by **Gregjazz** » Wed May 31, 2006 7:45 am

LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY wrote:
Gregjazz wrote:I don't know what it is, but I just wouldn't be willing to pay $299-$399 for a non-sample-based real-instrument synth. It just doesn't feel like it's worth that much, as opposed to ordering a sample library and getting a couple DVDs full of samples. It does sound good, but I don't know, I guess I just feel more comfortable in the land of wavetable synthesis.
Why are you encouraging software price inflation?

Do you know that is a good week and a half's worth of working min wage>?

Do you know how many more people would buy it if it was $100 rather than $399? I'm not saying he should sell it for $4.95, that'd be a waste of his hard work and innovation. By selling it for $399, he's marketing it towards a more professional group of computer musicians. The thing is, in that price area there are plenty of large orchestral libraries (ex. Garritan, Kirk Hunter, EWSO Silver/Gold, Miroslav Philharmonik, etc.). I already own Miroslav Philharmonik. I'm not eager to pay a bunch more to get more orchestral sounds, especially since Miroslav Philharmonik sounds so great. However, if the synth in question were selling for $100 I might be tempted. I tend to think there are other people in this same situation.

keyman_sam · Post by **keyman_sam** » Wed May 31, 2006 8:02 am

In any case, i think our community needs to notify the developer of our interest in his product and our willingness to shell out xxx amount of dollars for the particular product. Since he's an individual and a human being, he's sure to take our suggestions under consideration.

LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY · Wed May 31, 2006 8:03 am

yes.. please 100 bucks MAX.

benjamind · Post by **benjamind** » Wed May 31, 2006 9:56 am

WTF??? 100 bucks maximum for an instrument that can recreate the sound of acoustic instruments with the expression and dynamics being changed in realtime?

I don't know what planet you are on, but they sound very realistic to me and they are well worth the $300 or so they are asking. I mean, how much money does one spend on static samples? Sample libraries are dead. Let's face it. I will never buy another sample library again, ever.

Unless it's really good percussion. I might buy it. But for woodwind and brass instruments, a synth that can recreate the sound with the capacity for full realtime expressive dynamics will beat the snot out of any sample library. No holds barred. I am serious. No sample library can ever create a truly expressive sound. I've tried sample libraries, lots of them, spent so much money, and still I sit here...uninspired. Why? You tell me.

P.T. · Post by **P.T.** » Wed May 31, 2006 10:07 am

I think the expressiveness argument is overstated when it comes to orchestral instruments. Unless you are planning on writing an oboe concerto.

In an orchestra the instruments and players are not suposed to have a lot of expressiveness and character.
They are suposed to blend together. It's about the ensamble.

The expresion is in the writing and scoring and orchestration and the group dynamics.

I think people look at these sounds too much in isolation as solo instruments when they will usually not be used as solo instruments.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed May 31, 2006 10:40 am

LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY wrote: Why are you encouraging software price inflation?

Do you know that is a good week and a half's worth of working min wage>?

So about the same cost as an entry level 'brand name' guitar then. Wow. Betcha nobody saves for them.

benjamind · Post by **benjamind** » Wed May 31, 2006 10:45 am

Expression is the most important element of music. Samples really don't do justice to expression. Synths, however, are a different matter. Synths, if they are playable and can allow you to control the timbre and dynamics of the instrument in realtime, as if playing the real thing, will give us our music back. We've been without truly expressive instruments for an awful long time, and we're almost done with waiting. Honestly, I truly hope this isn't too good to be true. I hope it is as true as it is good. Expression is what we all need. We'll finally be able to breathe life back into MIDI music. Samples are not good enough, synths are far and beyond and soon we'll all look back on massive multi-gigabyte sample libraries with a sense of shame and finally our hard drives can get some breathing space as we won't have to store and use hard-disk intensive libraries that are not genuinely expressive (ie. as expressive as the prerecorded samples allow you to be, that is).

The day will come. Hopefully it will be sooner than I expected. Congratulations on the synth. I look very forward to the day it is released. Hope it won't be too far away. I was thinking 6 months or so, but it's just a guess and I may be in for a pleasant surprise.

I hope nobody buys you out. I see on the forum of your original post that you've had interest. Don't let the big buggers win, trust me, they'll never allow you to control the development or the final outcome of your synth. They'll take it and fly with it. You'll get a paycheck, but that's about it. I know how the big boys play, I've seen it all before. Don't sign anything unless you've read tne fine print about 50 times. A friend of mine once almost signed his life away. Thankfully he had his lawyer go over it a few times and spotted a few devils in the fine print. He was saved in time. He tore the contract to smithereens once his lawyer contacted him about the loopholes in the contract he was about to sign. He would have been screwed.

The moral of the story is...Trust no one. Especially so if there's big bucks to be made, and with an absolute breakthrough synth like this one, you can bet anything they'll be all over you like flies on a pile of dung. Just be careful. I really want you to be successful, for you and for your future, you've done a wonderful thing with the promise of something very special that noone has ever seen before and it'll be a bonus if we can get this sort of synth into the world and hopefully into our lives, as we've waited so long for a gem like this to appear on the horizon. Now we finally have hope of genuinely expressive woodwind and brass instruments. And perhaps eventually bowed stringed instruments too.

What the !!! Has anyone even seen this!!??