KVR Audio

(a) · Post by **(a)** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 11:57 am

MrM wrote: I just wonder, in what way is the demo restricted?

One restriction is in the input file length, but the main restriction is that you cannot save anything, just listen (well, there are some workarounds, but we are ok with them as long as nothing is reverse engineered). Anyway this is probably not going to be a product (besides as an SDK), but a technology demonstration or a proof of concept.

Cheers,
Alex

MrM · Post by **MrM** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:40 pm

I used it as a Chord Analysis tool.

I think, if you made it possible to convert the visual output into MIDI, some folks would want it.
I am one of those folks!

Right now it's a demonstration, and I like what I see. Congrats with the proof of concept.

Jason Brian Merrill · Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:49 pm

someone needs to get this in a vst.

(a) · Post by **(a)** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:55 pm

MrM wrote: I think, if you made it possible to convert the visual output into MIDI, some folks would want it.
I am one of those folks!

Well, we have to keep in mind our potential customers; if we give away too many features for free then these companies will hesitate to pay a license fee for the technology. MIDI-output is definitely a feature we hesitate to include in a free app.

Cheers,
(a)

MrM · Post by **MrM** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:58 pm

(a) wrote:... MIDI-output is definitely a feature we hesitate to include in a free app.

Cheers,
(a)

I understand that. But I didn't request the MIDI feature to be implemented in the current 'demo'. I was suggesting to have this in a new product, and then my euro's will go to your shop

runagate · Post by **runagate** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 12:59 pm

That's interesting - I never imagined that licencing would be more economically viable (mostly because it had never crossed my mind).

I really am impressed and I already love elastique.

Hopefully some program I already like will licence it.

MrM · Post by **MrM** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:01 pm

We need a developer to licence it, and sell it to us.
We need it !!!

(a) · Post by **(a)** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:06 pm

runagate wrote:That's interesting - I never imagined that licencing would be more economically viable (mostly because it had never crossed my mind).

Well, I wouldn't say that, it's just our business model and it worked for some years now; but one never knows: perhaps we would be rich by now if we would have released "real" products

Cheers,
(a)

Hovmod · Post by **Hovmod** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:13 pm

runagate wrote:That's interesting - I never imagined that licencing would be more economically viable (mostly because it had never crossed my mind).

Funny - that's EXACTLY what IBM said to Bill Gates once upon a time...

On topic:
This is very well done, guys! I'm thoroughly impressed. Wow.

GreyLion · Post by **GreyLion** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 3:14 pm

I'm at work, so haven't had a chance to load any of these things, but --- Is it just me, or are these guys demo'ing some technology that could radically upgrade our music-making software, and maybe put some folks out of business?

I'm taking a look at all the other bits on their site, such as the looping thing, and the tempo-detection thing, and the convo things, and the Elastique thing. If they work well, and aren't TOO expensive for devs to license, and can be integrated as VSTs, they could be the basis for some tools that we haven't even dared to ask for yet.

Or am I blowing this all out of proportion?

Space Boy · Post by **Space Boy** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:45 pm

Not bad!

The intelligent harmonization wasn't optimal on the material I tried, but interesting nevertheless.

What would be the latency if this were used in a VST like effect with midi control of each voice?

Cheers

Paul

(a) · Post by **(a)** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 9:34 am

Space Boy wrote: The intelligent harmonization wasn't optimal on the material I tried, but interesting nevertheless.

Yes, there are always several possibilities, and to choose the best overall harmonization is quite difficult (and style dependent). We would be happy if you could provide examples where the audio could be harmonized better.

Space Boy wrote: What would be the latency if this were used in a VST like effect with midi control of each voice?

While the pitch shifting could naturally be done in real-time, the time/note segmentation is an offline process, so meloscaline is not a causal system.

Cheers,
Alex

runagate · Post by **runagate** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 1:56 pm

GreyLion wrote:I'm at work, so haven't had a chance to load any of these things, but --- Is it just me, or are these guys demo'ing some technology that could radically upgrade our music-making software, and maybe put some folks out of business?

I'm taking a look at all the other bits on their site, such as the looping thing, and the tempo-detection thing, and the convo things, and the Elastique thing. If they work well, and aren't TOO expensive for devs to license, and can be integrated as VSTs, they could be the basis for some tools that we haven't even dared to ask for yet.

Or am I blowing this all out of proportion?

I've got to agree with you.
This technology is no joke.
At the start of my music-making day I like to jam new sounds into this just to see what it'll do. Isn't elastique in Samplitude? I seem to recall it being mentioned in one of their update announcements.

(a) · Post by **(a)** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 2:15 pm

runagate wrote:Isn't elastique in Samplitude?

Nope. Unfortunately they decided to call their own time stretching elastic audio. That engine has nothing to do with our élastique.

Cheers,
(a)

deaf dunderkwac · Post by **deaf dunderkwac** » Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:26 pm

very nice!
looking foward to an end-product!

audio harmonization with voice leading