24bit drum samples?

[CypherOne]

Yeah, Synthetic Drums seems a good one. I don't have either Kontakt or Battery though; still, if the samples are also included as separate wav files or can be extracted, it could be worth the price. I don't need the preset kits, with electronic music they're usually more of a drawback than advantage, or at least I prefer to browse all the samples and build up my on kit for a song. But anyways, also because I downloaded some free .nki files, is there a way to extract .wav samples? It seems that CDXtract can't. Any other solutions?

you get separate wav files. IMHO SD2 is better than SD1.

[blaster78]

Yeah, Synthetic Drums seems a good one. I don't have either Kontakt or Battery though; still, if the samples are also included as separate wav files or can be extracted, it could be worth the price. I don't need the preset kits, with electronic music they're usually more of a drawback than advantage, or at least I prefer to browse all the samples and build up my on kit for a song. But anyways, also because I downloaded some free .nki files, is there a way to extract .wav samples? It seems that CDXtract can't. Any other solutions?

you get separate wav files. IMHO SD2 is better than SD1.

agreed, excellent value imo

[aldio]

If there are separate wav files then I'm definitely going to get it. And of course I meant SD2 just missed the 2.

[GIRO]

WOW! I had to get some chips and a cup of juice to read it all!
Don't blame bad dithering on pour 24bit! SHAME on you!
next time use Apogee HR22.

Firstly, the added 8 bits in 24bits samples only contain noise.

So did the added 4bit to the 12bit c'mon DUDE! hhahahaha
DUDES! the higher the bits, the better!
NOW! if you find 16bit fine with you, great! But 16bit will be a thing of the past! Or we should stick to 8bit! hehehe We get noise because we have to dither down those glorius extra 8 bits. Shame on the 16bit rule! SUCKS too!
24bit or higher is on now! Also multichannel mixing too! (5.1 and beyond) So, we forgive you 16bit lovers!
You can't deliver the dinamic range of a DVD in plane 16bit! SUCKS

I'll bet we would clip (digital distortion) faster at 16bit than at 24bit... I like my 32bit thanx! NO CLIPPing... try it! Its all about dinamic range, depth and beyond..

I like SD I & II

SIMPLE MATH!
record at 8bit! grggrrgrgrgrggrgrgr shoot it
record @ 12bit hmmm!
record @ 16bit COOL!
record @ 24bit aaaaaaaah!
record @ 32bit ___________ whoa look mom! no clipping!
record @ 64bit coming soon!

[BertKoor]

You obviously haven't met the 24bits fanboys: Hey look at me! Mine has WAAAAY more bits!

Now take a close look at their audio card specs: a meagre 102dB S/N ratio on recording and they call that superb 24bits precision? No, it's just one more significant bit and the other seven are totally wasted. The added bits contain noise, and not much more. If the sample makers don't publish the gear they used to create their 24bits stuff, it probably wasn't that special.

Now with specs above 110dB s/n ratio we're talking. Still more than half of the added eight bits contain noise, but the rest IS contributing something.

Your Simple Math seems to be targeted to recording in general, and not to samples used in a composition. Also 32bits (floating point I presume) is no guarantee for no clipping, since that already happened in the AD converter during recording, and will happen again in the DA converter on playback. You don't seem to have an idea how that really works.

64bits may be cool for audio processing, but for recording / playback there is no added value at all. Added noise, nothing relevant there...

[GIRO]

You obviously haven't met the 24bits fanboys: Hey look at me! Mine has WAAAAY more bits!

Now take a close look at their audio card specs: a meagre 102dB S/N ratio on recording and they call that superb 24bits precision? No, it's just one more significant bit and the other seven are totally wasted. The added bits contain noise, and not much more. If the sample makers don't publish the gear they used to create their 24bits stuff, it probably wasn't that special.

Now with specs above 110dB s/n ratio we're talking. Still more than half of the added eight bits contain noise, but the rest IS contributing something.

Your Simple Math seems to be targeted to recording in general, and not to samples used in a composition. Also 32bits (floating point I presume) is no guarantee for no clipping, since that already happened in the AD converter during recording, and will happen again in the DA converter on playback. You don't seem to have an idea how that really works.

64bits may be cool for audio processing, but for recording / playback there is no added value at all. Added noise, nothing relevant there...

looks like you stopped at 12+4bits everything else is ghost to you! KOOL!
I know what is been said here! I sample all the time! AND I record it at 24bit AND at 32bit AND guess WHAT!? no clipping @ 32bit Float!;) IF you don't record at 32bit float then you have no idea what I mean!
There is no distortion! try that with 16bit!
It does not distort... sounds like you are not using the right system!

Lets do DVDs at 16bit 22khz
Added values.. hehehe (1998) at that time to think I can do 64bit anything was to dream the dream! now its here!
SO! if 64bit to you is not possible then too bad! Stay Pro Tools then!

My Kung Fu is good! but my recorded sample is better!

Any ways! nice chatting with you! now back to Sampling!
oooh! Get my free 24bit drumkit stuff!
They are 16bit plus noise!

ALSO! my MATH has no limits
Cellphone were invented in the 1940s
Now I can have a PC in my pocket and call my friend BertKoor at the same time eh! FREAKING KOOL!

[BertKoor]

no clipping @ 32bit Float!Wink

Do your homework on it. As long as the sample lives inside the PC there is no clipping, that much is true. But you can NOT record above 0db(fs) because the A/D converter does not allow it. Same on playback: the D/A converter clips everything above 0db(fs)

There is no distortion! try that with 16bit!

Oh very easy, no sweat. I get no distortion at all, so you must be doing something wrong.

oooh! Get my free 24bit drumkit stuff!
They are 16bit plus noise!

Thanks for sharing that, I'm glad you admit it

[Spe3D]

no clipping @ 32bit Float!Wink

Do your homework on it. As long as the sample lives inside the PC there is no clipping, that much is true. But you can NOT record above 0db(fs) because the A/D converter does not allow it. Same on playback: the D/A converter clips everything above 0db(fs)

Dither and Bits (oh! and sample rates) make great topics for getting

Nowhere fast on an internet forum - threads of it, posts and posts of (I KNOW IT ALL)

I am the Expert

NO

I am

NO I know more, my methods are better, yours suck!

No they don't, mine are way BETTER - I wrote it LOOK



Dither Dither Dither

Oh! And Bits

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

[Spe3D]

Use your 'EARS' - It is the BEST tip on the PLANET

Particularly at 24 Bit's and above



Best regards,

Spe3d

[GIRO]

Sped3D: battle of the reply! hehehe! HOW ARE YOU MAN?
Let me put it here! I was editing my last post but you got me to it!

BertKoor: IF you don't record at 32bit float then you have no idea what I mean!

Forget your ADDA converters! if your input is too hot! and you record it to dear PT, you get crackling distortion!
NOW we Do the same thing and my bits are at 24+8bit in good old NUENDO or CUBASE!, no distorted sound! even thou the meter shows I'm over zero...

I will have to send you a video clip to help you with that!
NOW! my system ( the audio engine )is always working in 32bit float.

And sorry that you can not record over 0db because I CAN!

[BertKoor]

And sorry that you can not record over 0db because I CAN!

Using which audio interface? Most can't do that (unless you cheat)

[GIRO]

And sorry that you can not record over 0db because I CAN!

Using which audio interface? Most can't do that (unless you cheat)

Dear BertKoor! you are not using Nuendo nor CUBASE thats why!
I also have my Masters at 32bit float with all its gloryus extra 8bits to them! Then you load that kick ass master in 32bitFloat 96k to WavLab6 and truncate the sucker with Apogee UV22HR... to 16bit

But like Sped3D said! we are getting nowhere with this!
I record extra loud signals and no distortion thanx to Steinberg!

Happy Sampling!

[Spe3D]

Sped3D: battle of the reply! hehehe! HOW ARE YOU MAN?

Hi! GIRO

I am feeling GOOD

Hope you are too

Looking forward to hearing the new kit by you, that you done with the new mic set-ups

Best regards,

Spe3d

:O)

[BertKoor]

You still haven't said which soundcard. Ah well, your site says what you have. The M-Audio FW 1814? The Nuendo Audiolink 96? Both these have S/N ratios of around 106dB which is pretty good. My AudioTrak Maya1010 does perform the very same.

Maybe you can raise the level in CuBase / Nuendo AFTER the A/D stage, so you have the ILLUSION of a hotter-than-hot recorded signal. But that's what I call cheating yourself. The noise floor will be raised at the same time, nothing is really gained. Except ofcourse that you're baffled of seeing the meters going in the red without getting distortion.

I'm just fighting some misinformation here...

[GIRO]

You still haven't said which soundcard. Ah well, your site says what you have. The M-Audio FW 1814? The Nuendo Audiolink 96? Both these have S/N ratios of around 106dB which is pretty good. My AudioTrak Maya1010 does perform the very same.

Maybe you can raise the level in CuBase / Nuendo AFTER the A/D stage, so you have the ILLUSION of a hotter-than-hot recorded signal. But that's what I call cheating yourself. The noise floor will be raised at the same time, nothing is really gained. Except ofcourse that you're baffled of seeing the meters going in the red without getting distortion.

I'm just fighting some misinformation here...

You should have seen that a long time ago man! my info is a click away. MAN! now I feel violated! no info on yours hmmm!
"ILUSION" you can call it like that if you want! But you have not worked in that ILUSION to think it is cheating or just BS!
It is not!

you're baffled

LMAO hehehe ok! try to gain, if you can, inside your Audio Engine at 16 or 24bit eeek.. BrickWall! Now do 32bit Float to that signal...

Not one has complaint about noise! there is no noise in my samples or recordings! This 24 + the imaginary 8 bits of "noise" are kicking butt. For some reason your Event Horizon is 106db but I know there is more head-room.

Don't worry man! you do your thing!

I ALSO plug direct to the card! no added noise from mixing boads.
Maybe we can chat about it of the forum! Right now I'm going to NY to help some one.