KVR Audio

eidenk · Post by **eidenk** » Sat Oct 14, 2006 4:17 pm

metamorphosis wrote:
eidenk wrote:Xvid is just one codec for the avi container.

What is certainly needed for such a plug to have any real use is at least avi support IMO.

Mpeg1 is outdated and of poor quality.
RTM.
Neither of those are relevant when scoring music for film/tv - because all you need is accurate timing guidelines- which is what this plugin is for. Also, while MPEG1 is older, it is also much less CPU-intensive. I disagree that MPEG1 is of poor quality - some of the videos on the net are, but if you're encoding your own video, using one of the programs mentioned in the manual, it can look very good.

Tell you what-
how about You write a plugin which plays back AVI, and then come and tell me how easy it was to do. Okay?
Cheers-
m@

I have never said it would be easy to write such a plug. I would certainly be unable to do so.

And excuse me but mpeg1 is shit and no one is going to transcode movies into mpeg1 just to use your plug IMO.

As for the cpu use of avi, it certainly depends on both the size of the pic and the codec used.

If I use small sized videos encoded in MS Video 1, it'll certainly be as good as mpeg1. Or rather as bad. Mpeg1 is the format used for VCDs. Why would someone use that today ?

The advantage of avi is that it is a container and if you come to support avi, you'll automatically (or almost) support the hundreds of codecs written for it be them DV, Lossless, Mpeg4, Mjpeg, wavelet, etc...

Rather than avi, maybe DirectShow support would be even better as DirectShow can handle any video format and or/containers currently around provided you have the neccessary splitters and decoders installed (avi, realmedia, Quicktime, Flash Video, MKV, OGM, Mpeg2, etc...) and any new one soon gets a splitter to make it DirectShow compatible.

It's just constructive criticism I try to write. Don't take it that badly.

Anyway you are using SDL and I am not sure it could be handling any of the above as it is cross platform and both the VFW (avi) and the DirectShow multimedia playback runtimes are MS only.

I am no programmer man, I just give you my feel of a quite aware end user in video matters.

And I feel that no one is going to transcode his movies into mpeg1 for the sake of using your plug for scoring them.

If I take the time to write here is because I find your plug interesting but way too limited for having any real use IMO.

metamorphosis · Post by **metamorphosis** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:11 am

shamann wrote: I had read the manual, but hadn't devoted any appreciable thought to that section, since it was foreign to the host I use (Audiomulch doesn't have a run FX option). I might suggest it to the developer, see if he can add it in.

Hi Shamann- I admit audiomulch hasn't been tested at my workstation, so I apologise if it's not working for you-
I've added the detail in question to the major README file, so it should be (more) visible to people in future versions-
Suggesting to the developer is a good idea but also I'd like to try and make a version which doesn't require it- in future. For the moment it's kinda necessary- maybe I should add some kind of option that stops playback, for hosts which don't work correctly with it?
Hmm...
Cheers-
M@

metamorphosis · Post by **metamorphosis** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:36 pm

eidenk wrote:etc

RTM...
m@

eidenk · Post by **eidenk** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:55 pm

What does RTM mean btw ?

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:03 pm

read the manual.

eidenk · Post by **eidenk** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:44 pm

OK, thanks.

auto_moment · Post by **auto_moment** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:23 pm

If i could chip in. All earnest and honest work done by matt on his vst plug is highly commended of course, way over my head.
if u don't want to use it however i can recommenend this ~ http://groc.org/movieplayer/index.html ~ little fella. Granted I'VE ONLY USED IT IN LIVE 5.2.
I've found it fairly stable, never crashed anyway. if You use the timeline in the arrangement view to jump through your recording/movie it syncs real sweet. so scrub round the upgrade to buggy live6 then. here is rubbish that utilises at times Movieplayer ~ ~ heres recordings 2 ~ http://www.muchmuchmuch.com/listen.html. AS always, peace!

metamorphosis · Post by **metamorphosis** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:16 pm

shamann wrote:read the manual.

BTW Shamann-
you might have more luck with the newer version on VideoVST's homepage:
http://mattbentley.muzic.net.nz/VideoVST/
I'm still trying to fix the crashing-when-resyncing bug, but I still can't pinpoint the cause- I really need other programmers to take a look at some of the sm@peg code-
M@

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:21 pm

Thanks, Matt. I'll check it out tonight.

metamorphosis · Post by **metamorphosis** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 1:58 pm

shamann wrote:Thanks, Matt. I'll check it out tonight.

Also I've had some users report less crashing with the MMX version - you might want to check that out-
re: Movieplayer (groc) -
it's noted in the documentation that this one didn't work correctly (or at all) in the programs I used (Reaper and Tracktion) - but if it works for you, cool-
m@

Hannes_F · Post by **Hannes_F** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 10:05 pm

Hi Matt,

thank you again for the Video VST that I am using just now. Good job! I use it in energyXT and would have to go for a multi-hundred USD sequencer software if I hadn't your plugin.

How are chances that it will be kept in development, route the audio to the vst host etc?

Would a paypal donation help? (hint, hint, hehe ...)

Hannes

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