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[Vonbrucken]

from what i have heard i think he has simply ripped them from a sample cd collection , but wich one that i don't know
i don't think it took the time to sample a vinyl nor a cd

[funkadil]

Hes been doing this shit for months, check his post history.

[tee boy]

from what i have heard i think he has simply ripped them from a sample cd collection , but wich one that i don't know
i don't think it took the time to sample a vinyl nor a cd

Is that so?

Well get 'yo westside punk ass' in jail then chemist brudda!

TB

[jones-y]

but its pretty much how it works from my experience. I mean, I KNOW all the top engineers who mix hip hop records replace and layer hits all the time with those sample from modern records. Its just how its done.

But...

1. Wouldn't that qualify them as producers, as opposed to mix engineers? all the engineers I've ever been associated with didn't add or subtract anything from the songs they mixed. I wonder where you would've experienced that.

2. That sounds pretty ludicrous, just on face value. I mean, really, name me the top five hip hop mix engineers... I'll wait.

3. As a producer, I'd be pretty pissed if I got a track back that had been "enhanced" in that manner.

[jones-y]

It's not like there's any lack of good samples out there to buy that are royalty free.

like the ones being sold here?

[jones-y]

They're definitely not vinyl samples and they're definitely not sampled from the artists for whom they're namesaked. Well maybe the drum hits are lifted from the namesakers (doesn't sound like it to me, but its always hard to tell with drum hits), but the melodic elements aren't. Both observations are plainly evident to anyone who takes the time to listen to the content at his website. As a matter of fact, the melodic loops sound to me as if they were created on hardware synths. And there's nothing there that I couldn't bake up in an hour or so. Sounds to me like the guy is just making beats and selling the components, which is his right....

Now, whether or not they're ripped from another's sample CD is anybody's guess, but the material (especially the drum programming) is a step or two below releases by Ueberschall, Zero-G, Modernbeats, etc., so I tend to doubt that theory too.

Seems to me that he's just doing what dozens of other soundware developers do. Everybody put away your soapboxes.






And no I'm not associated.

[liars&ashes]

----It's the same guy from ebay, there's a link to his ebay store on the tradebit site, he advertises lots of "Kanye West" and "Dre" kits, old drum machine samples, and sells sampled drum sets from the Fantom and Motif. I'm not going to waste my time listening to what jones-y described as weak home-made beats, and I already know the rest is copywritten/illegally gotten somehow or other, since he advertises it as such. This chemist person is a warez spammer, there's nothing to even talk about.

Jeff

[tee boy]

but its pretty much how it works from my experience. I mean, I KNOW all the top engineers who mix hip hop records replace and layer hits all the time with those sample from modern records. Its just how its done.

But...

1. Wouldn't that qualify them as producers, as opposed to mix engineers? all the engineers I've ever been associated with didn't add or subtract anything from the songs they mixed. I wonder where you would've experienced that.

2. That sounds pretty ludicrous, just on face value. I mean, really, name me the top five hip hop mix engineers... I'll wait.

3. As a producer, I'd be pretty pissed if I got a track back that had been "enhanced" in that manner.

1. Actually, mix engineers in hip hop do a HELL of a lot more than you might think. Iv chatted to a guy who mixed records for a load of urban / pop / hip hop artists, and he reckons he has often received nothing more than a vocal and a two track mix! Reckons he ALWAYS has to be extra drum hits to mix with the drums on track.

This got me into a whole new way of mixing btw. What I think of additive mixing. Rather than boosting EQ to add, say more treble to a high hat... I often not just add another on top. Same for down below - use a sine kick for extra bottom rathern than punching up those EQ's.


2. I could name you the top five. But I could name you two TOP guys, and both claim that they all work that way. I wont name them for obvious reasons. But you can trust that Im certainly not making it up. Go over to Gearslutz and check out the past guest mods and you'll see who I mean. He was quite open about how they work. Says samples the drum hits off every record he gets, lol.


3. Hmmm, not sure what to say about that. I mean, these hip hop guys sample all of their drums (those that dont come from the trusty 808, lol). If you sampled your drums, why would you care about some adding other sampled drums to the mix?

TB

[tee boy]

They're definitely not vinyl samples and they're definitely not sampled from the artists for whom they're namesaked. Well maybe the drum hits are lifted from the namesakers (doesn't sound like it to me, but its always hard to tell with drum hits), but the melodic elements aren't. Both observations are plainly evident to anyone who takes the time to listen to the content at his website. As a matter of fact, the melodic loops sound to me as if they were created on hardware synths. And there's nothing there that I couldn't bake up in an hour or so. Sounds to me like the guy is just making beats and selling the components, which is his right....

Now, whether or not they're ripped from another's sample CD is anybody's guess, but the material (especially the drum programming) is a step or two below releases by Ueberschall, Zero-G, Modernbeats, etc., so I tend to doubt that theory too.

Seems to me that he's just doing what dozens of other soundware developers do. Everybody put away your soapboxes.






And no I'm not associated.

Ueberschall are the biggest thieves Iv ever witnessed. I would rather use this guys samples than there!

I f**king HATE that company. If you want all your favorite hip hop loops, hot off the record, then go no further than Loop Essentials

TB

[tdm71]

Who has proof that this stuff is copywritten or stolen? He is back on ebay.

[shamann]

But I could name you two TOP guys, and both claim that they all work that way. I wont name them for obvious reasons.

I'm missing something. What are the obvious reasons why you won't name them? There wouldn't be any legal implications (it being hearsay and all) and obviously they've already mentioned it publically, so please, I'd appreciate it if you named the two guys. I'd like to go agoogling on their methods, so I might learn a thing or two on technique.

[liars&ashes]

Who has proof that this stuff is copywritten or stolen? He is back on ebay.

----If you read his auction descriptions, it says they are taken from 1) known hiphop artists, 2) known synths, and 3) classic drum machines. Then there's the fact that he has 12-15 different cds worth of samples, and spams the forums in all caps. If ya can't figure it out between all that, well, maybe ya ought to work for ebay then.

Jeff

[tdm71]

Who has proof that this stuff is copywritten or stolen? He is back on ebay.

----If you read his auction descriptions, it says they are taken from 1) known hiphop artists, 2) known synths, and 3) classic drum machines. Then there's the fact that he has 12-15 different cds worth of samples, and spams the forums in all caps. If ya can't figure it out between all that, well, maybe ya ought to work for ebay then.

Jeff

Ummmm..

1. It says they are styled after so and so
2. Who doesn't use known synths??
3. See 2

Still confused? The guy has over 1300 feedbacks with 2 negs. I bought his stuff and it is much better than some of the crap sample cds out there.

[liars&ashes]

Ummmm..

1. It says they are styled after so and so
2. Who doesn't use known synths??
3. See 2

Still confused? The guy has over 1300 feedbacks with 2 negs. I bought his stuff and it is much better than some of the crap sample cds out there.

----His original ebay auctions from a month or two back did not say "styled after". It is not legal to sample synths that use samples, ie = all the big names, and one of the main reasons they still use samples most likely. Naming names of synths, names of artists, and sampling drum machines, is not allowed legally speaking. And lastly, if this guy has really made a dozen+ sample cds on his own, and they are of any quality, he wouldn't be selling them for $10 a shot on ebay, and spamming forums now would he.
----No offense, but get a clue people, there's just been way too many stolen samples and warez debates lately, if ya wanna use stolen crap, then shut up and go home and do it, don't wave the flag about it, no one cares, and you're a thief, end of story.

Jeff

[tee boy]

But I could name you two TOP guys, and both claim that they all work that way. I wont name them for obvious reasons.

I'm missing something. What are the obvious reasons why you won't name them? There wouldn't be any legal implications (it being hearsay and all) and obviously they've already mentioned it publically, so please, I'd appreciate it if you named the two guys. I'd like to go agoogling on their methods, so I might learn a thing or two on technique.

Ok, I remember a few of us talking at length with a guy called Dave Pensado (http://mixonline.com/mag/audio_dave_hard_drive/), and he was very open about sharing his mixing tricks with us. A thoroughly nice bloke. And probably the only person Iv ever spoken to who is TOTALLY an open book interms of techniques.

In one thread, he openly admitted that he hates sample CD's and prefers to sample hits off records. He also states that pretty much every record in his style is made this way. And whats more, I believe him 100%.

We're talking about a style of music that came out of sampling technology. Hip Hop is sampling! That what its all about. I dont see how it can be considered in anyway immoral to sample from them! Im not saying I do it (I dont make hip hop music), and Im not saying that its a GOOD way to work, but its the way this music is made according to those who make it.

TB