more doom metal riffage - updated on page 2

[Shane Sanders]

What are you using for amplification? I'm able to get perfect death/sludge/destruction out of my Line 6 Pod XT.

a baritone Ibanez with custom 58's into Amplitube2 DI via digital in on my soundcard. I haven't owned A2 very long, but I'm confident I can get more sludge if I wanted it. I just gravitate toward a defined heavy rather than a death sound. I'm way more into doom and than death, stylewise, though I love Nile and old Opeth. Well, I love new Opeth even better than old, but I suppose they were more black metal/death back then. My holy grail tone would be like Confessor on "The Downside". http://myspace.com/confessorband

btw, my riff in this song is a single note line. I personally think that there's a lot of balls there for one string. It's played twice and panned hard L/R.

[donkey tugger]

Metel!

Aye, drums are a bit stiff a the moment. I'll wager you're making them too complicated, a bigger sound with less going on might work better. Plus they soundeded a bit sterile. My fave trick for a more 'ahem' organic metel drum sound is to put the kompressor (blockfish, 'fat drum loop' preset) arfter the reverb, makes eveything pump nicely a wee bit.

[runagate]

I can try to stand in on doom metal vocal duties if you'd like, Shane.

I need to bone up on my Rob Lowe of Solitude Aeturnus imitation before their first album in 8 years is finally released!

Yeah, quite a few people are talking about it on another forum. I'm looking forward to it as well.

What kind of vocal style do you do? Beauty or beast?

Either, though I have the pipes for SA-like vocals my voice ain't quite that nice.

The whole death metal cookie monster thing seems whacko to me, though it did result in me learning a way of making polyphonic growls, which is sweet as hell and a fun way to convince people that I am in fact a fallen angel
It's seriously scary sounding, ask mikeback

[mellotronaut]

Yeah, I like the song, especially the vocals (very, very good idea!). The drums and the guitar need a bit more dirt, imo. anyway, great track, dark atmosphere!

Mellolisten

[Shane Sanders]

Metel!

Aye, drums are a bit stiff a the moment. I'll wager you're making them too complicated, a bigger sound with less going on might work better. Plus they soundeded a bit sterile. My fave trick for a more 'ahem' organic metel drum sound is to put the kompressor (blockfish, 'fat drum loop' preset) arfter the reverb, makes eveything pump nicely a wee bit.

Cool. I'll try that out. Basically, I just need to load up a new kit altogether and work harder on the details. Though I do like the smack of the snare, but the kit I'm using for it doesn't have much in the way of multisamples on the snare for more clever articulations.

[Shane Sanders]

Either, though I have the pipes for SA-like vocals my voice ain't quite that nice.

The whole death metal cookie monster thing seems whacko to me, though it did result in me learning a way of making polyphonic growls, which is sweet as hell and a fun way to convince people that I am in fact a fallen angel
It's seriously scary sounding, ask mikeback

I find it hilarious sometimes, sometimes perfectly scary. The artist "Nortt" has a cool approach.

[Shane Sanders]

Yeah, I like the song, especially the vocals (very, very good idea!). The drums and the guitar need a bit more dirt, imo. anyway, great track, dark atmosphere!

Mellolisten

Thanks. More dirt seems to be the consensus. "Rock harder young man!" lol.

[Shane Sanders]

I hesitate to even post this because it's so rough, but I suppose we're all family now and can look past the craptastic errors.

Anyway, how does this approach to the guitar sound compare with what I was using before? Play it loud and let the groove sink in. My thoughts are I wanna hear a little more of the palm-mute, but at the same time, I like the grit.

Please ignore the scratch vocal. The idea hit me and I just grabbed a little PC mic and quickly scat-tracked it so I wouldn't forget. It's horrible. Beyond horrible, really, but after I pitch corrected the living crap out of it, it was clear there was a decent melody there that helped set up the return of the main riff. I didn't even bother to trim the clipping spikes off the front of it. Too much hassle and I was in the moment and not wanting to be edit boy.

http://www.hammerscape.com/mp3/ruff-dem ... ritual.mp3

I think if I can work up another part, this one might make a decent Candelmas era type doom track. I tried out some growling vocals, too, and will probably try to track some of that over the weekend. But I really need to nail down the guitar sound first.

[spaceman]

Anyway, how does this approach to the guitar sound compare with what I was using before? Play it loud and let the groove sink in. My thoughts are I wanna hear a little more of the palm-mute, but at the same time, I like the grit.

http://www.hammerscape.com/mp3/ruff-dem ... ritual.mp3

better.. but I don't think they need the over-compressed sand-paper grind to them. You should tune that down, take out some highs and put in a more low rumble. I think a distorted bass guitar sound is closer to what you want here than an over-compressed grind. It should be gurgling, messy lows with a lot of life in it, not monotone kgrkgrkgrkgrkgr

[spaceman]

try making a clean recording of the guitars. Add some juice to them with fx in your host and mix them in with the tuned-down distorted take (possibly tuned down as well)

[~beowulf~]

Do you have some doom to hear? If so, please post it.

In fact, I DO have an old demo to post (and a lot of unfinished projects), but I won't until I find a decent free hosting. Don't know if it's doomy enough, but it's slow, heavy, melancholic and definitive. Kinda sweet, clean vox (don't have any other), romantic text.. We'll see..