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zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:43 am

Amberience wrote:Of course, if you want to get the sound of the amp as a whole, then mic. Doesn't automatically mean you'll get a good sound, and I believe we all know this.

usually it's shit

now re simulanalog try a JCM900+compressor+rednef chain and start tweaking. Try not to overdrive rednef's input too much unless you want that live Joplin's band sound

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:22 am

I shall try that chain right now.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 11:49 am

Well darn me, I just got a whole song practically just by trying out that chain.

You know when a tone inspires you? I had one of dem moments

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:10 pm

I would also recommend trying out the SimulAnalog stuff.
A little trick I'm using ALL the time: Don't go too high with the JCM model's gain. Put a decent EQ in front of it and boost its input instead. This way you can shape your distortion tone very nicely. For example, I often tend to use a rather brutal boost in the higher midrange (I'd say somewhere between 2-5kHz). The output will then probably sound quite harsh, but that's why I'm always using another EQ to mellow things down after the amp sim.
Just make sure you don't use the (otherwise brilliant) NyquistEQ because that one doesn't allow for any overall boost.

susiwong · Post by **susiwong** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:17 pm

Good tip, Sascha !

I know quite some people, mostly metal guys, who do this in hardware and get a very good sound. And in software it's so much easier ...
Cheers, susiwong

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:20 pm

Sascha Franck wrote:I would also recommend trying out the SimulAnalog stuff.
A little trick I'm using ALL the time: Don't go too high with the JCM model's gain. Put a decent EQ in front of it and boost its input instead. This way you can shape your distortion tone very nicely. For example, I often tend to use a rather brutal boost in the higher midrange (I'd say somewhere between 2-5kHz). The output will then probably sound quite harsh, but that's why I'm always using another EQ to mellow things down after the amp sim.
Just make sure you don't use the (otherwise brilliant) NyquistEQ because that one doesn't allow for any overall boost.

Yup, excellent tip. I do it very often. I usually boost those freqs for a nice sparkly sound and/or cut bass to avoid muddy sounding lows.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:32 pm

zeoy wrote:and/or cut bass to avoid muddy sounding lows.

Yeah, quite another important thing. What we percept as (whatever strong) overdrive is usually happening in the midrange area, so an overall boost often gives you muddy lows without actually adding much to the perceived distortion amount. So cutting the lows in front of the distortion and probably re-adding some after is a nice idea.
And as susiwong said: It's dead easy to do this in software. If you use any plugin chainer (or Energy XT), you can nicely save all the she-bang as one single patch.

And fwiw, for a nice, mellow singing/sustained lead tone, I also tend to boost the high mids a lot. This will make the amp (or sim) sing. All you need to do to mellow things down then is using another EQ.

I once had it exactly like this in my live rig, one pre- and another post-EQ, both in a looper. Kicked that setup nonetheless, too much stuff to carry around, but I'm thinking about a hybrid setup now.

DaveL60 · Post by **DaveL60** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:42 pm

I know a number of folks who much prefer the Johnson J-Station over the Line6 POD. J-Stations aren't made anymore, but you can find them on eBay for a reasonable price.

DaveL

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:49 pm

Amberience wrote:Well darn me, I just got a whole song practically just by trying out that chain.

You know when a tone inspires you? I had one of dem moments

Glad if I helped you find inspiration (or at least a tone you like)
I was playing with simulanalog for ages but only recently tried this chain and I was amazed by the possibilities. One think I like with this is how rednef acts as a cab sim (jcm alone sounds to bright for clean sounds)
Give jcm an A channel with ~4 gain, cut lows and mids, boost treble and presence. Compressor should be working very lightly. Then sculpt your EQ curve in rednef. Add some rednef tremolo if you want and then add an Ambience with the guitar-jeehaa preset ... heaven

... there goes my secret weapon

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:48 pm

Y'know what it does remind me of... it quite reminds me of a lot of the tones I was getting from Amplitube 2. The difference is, to me at least, Simuanalog sounds more "real" ... if that makes sense... like, at a high volume, you could be forgiven for thinking it was a real amp sitting there and not a PC.

I never got that feeling with AT2.

fred2112 · Post by **fred2112** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:37 pm

If you cant afford amplitube 2, go for Simulanalog !

I think it sound much more warm and realistic then Amplitube 1 or guitar rig 2.....and its FREE

Shane Sanders · Post by **Shane Sanders** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:14 am

Some of you more experienced guitarists might want to chime in on this thread to help him out:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2173600

KTHE · Post by **KTHE** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:31 am

To get the best quality guitar recordings, I'd say
1. place the mic right next to the amp
2. listen through headphones on your computer speakers (make sure you don't blow your head off here)so you don't get any feedback.
3. jam out.
4. oh and get a real amp. I forgot. that one's step 1... don't forsake all hardware for software.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Oct 21, 2006 10:28 am

I don't get why you wouldn't want feedback.

KTHE · Post by **KTHE** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:29 am

Amberience wrote:I don't get why you wouldn't want feedback.

True. Some feedback does produce drama. Definately.

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