If I remember correctly, it's save/render disabled, but fully-functional otherwise.
If you want to slag PT, and I have no problem with that, you might want to do it in a detailed and knowledgeable way....
Pro Tools = Rip Off
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- KVRAF
- 3382 posts since 21 May, 2004 from Deep in the Heartlessness of Texas
Just for what it's worth, if you have one of quite a few M-Audio interfaces, you can try M-Powered for free. The download is on this page.
If I remember correctly, it's save/render disabled, but fully-functional otherwise.
If you want to slag PT, and I have no problem with that, you might want to do it in a detailed and knowledgeable way....
If I remember correctly, it's save/render disabled, but fully-functional otherwise.
If you want to slag PT, and I have no problem with that, you might want to do it in a detailed and knowledgeable way....
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- KVRAF
- 2028 posts since 18 Mar, 2004 from New York, N.Y.
Depends. It will be destructive rendering, so no chance of fixing midi notes in the studio, changing an effect that you rendered with, etc. Also no tempos, so you would have no click track for a drummer to play to. There are circumstances where these things don't matter, but you have tons more options if you can just take your project to the studio and then back home to continue working.kode_poet wrote:As many here mentioned, the only reason I see to go PT is to have compatibility with big studios. But again, I can export my wave files to a DVD and take them to a studio. Wouldnt that be the same thing?
I only say this because I recently did two session from Tracktion to PT and back. It was a nightmare, but mostly because these songs have a lot of tempo changes, so not having the click anymore made editing, punching in, and tracking over it much more difficult.
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- KVRist
- 216 posts since 3 Aug, 2004 from Centreville, VA
I'm quite happy with PT 7.3 . Hell, having the ability to mount HFS drives on my PC is alone worth the price of the upgrade. Whether people like it or not, PT is the industry standard but you're still free to use what you like. I moved away from using Tracktion and am completely working in Pro Tools now. I couldn't be happier but that's my preference. The lack of ADC kind of sucks but it's not that big of a deal to me. A few nudges here and there doesn't take that much time for me.
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- KVRist
- 46 posts since 4 Jan, 2006 from New York
I compared Pro Tools to Apple Logic 7.2 and spent the extra money on Logic. I feel I made the better choice .
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- KVRist
- 121 posts since 30 Dec, 2004
So what everyone is saying is if you're not going full blown HD then the LE systems aren't worth it and it's better to get another type of DAW?
I've been looking and almost settled on an 002 to be more attractive to customers, but, from what I read here, LE is so crippled it's better to buy something else in this case?
Thanks!
I've been looking and almost settled on an 002 to be more attractive to customers, but, from what I read here, LE is so crippled it's better to buy something else in this case?
Thanks!
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- KVRist
- 339 posts since 10 Dec, 2002 from USA
I completely understand what jplanet means. I personally work in the box, and the only things I would go to a big studio for would be either to mix, or to record vocals, and for both of them, I think the final rendered tracks should be enough. All I would need would be the recorded vocals in separate wave files to take back home, or if Im mixing, then the final mix ready for mastering. I do see however, how NOT having control over a midi sequence or effect could be a disaster.
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- KVRAF
- 3382 posts since 21 May, 2004 from Deep in the Heartlessness of Texas
Hey, Squish -- I keep reading in various places about small studios that get PT just so their customers will see the screen and go "Oooh, you're so professional!" And give them money. For better or worse, PT is the one that non-techies know about and are impressed by.
You might want to contemplate getting a low-end M-Audio interface and picking up M-Powered, just for the public relations aspect of it. Silly as that may sound.
And then, we keep returning to the issue about whether your clients are doing the whole session with you, including further mixing and mastering. If not, you get back to dealing with the transportability issue when they take tracks with them.
You might want to contemplate getting a low-end M-Audio interface and picking up M-Powered, just for the public relations aspect of it. Silly as that may sound.
And then, we keep returning to the issue about whether your clients are doing the whole session with you, including further mixing and mastering. If not, you get back to dealing with the transportability issue when they take tracks with them.
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- KVRAF
- 19156 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
Unless you need compatibilty with major studios, forget it. Go with Cubase, Sonar, Tracktion, etc. You won't be as limited; plus no adapter needed for VST & DX plugs!Squish wrote:So what everyone is saying is if you're not going full blown HD then the LE systems aren't worth it and it's better to get another type of DAW?
I've been looking and almost settled on an 002 to be more attractive to customers, but, from what I read here, LE is so crippled it's better to buy something else in this case?
Thanks!
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- KVRist
- 121 posts since 30 Dec, 2004
Hey GreyLion!
Thanks for the reply. Yeah, that's something to think about. I'd hate to spend money(even that little) for something that wouldn't get very much use. I'll look into an Mpowered. Is it more crippled than LE? Can LE sessions be imported?
Thanks for the reply. Yeah, that's something to think about. I'd hate to spend money(even that little) for something that wouldn't get very much use. I'll look into an Mpowered. Is it more crippled than LE? Can LE sessions be imported?
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- KVRist
- 121 posts since 30 Dec, 2004
Hi bduffy,
Basically I just need a good system to mix on. No compatibilty needed. Not yet at least
. That's what has me thinking, I should spend the money on something that makes life easier for me and not worry about the "PT" coolness factor. I am my own cool. 
Basically I just need a good system to mix on. No compatibilty needed. Not yet at least
. That's what has me thinking, I should spend the money on something that makes life easier for me and not worry about the "PT" coolness factor. I am my own cool. -
- KVRian
- 954 posts since 15 Dec, 2000 from NY,NY,USA
Still? Are you sure? Le has had it with at least the last 2 versions I'm pretty sure. If M-Powered still doesn't have ADC then it is truly a joke.GreyLion wrote:A quick look at the 7.3 upgrade doesn't make me feel compelled to buy it. Still no ADC
"Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal." - Albert Einstein
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- KVRAF
- 3382 posts since 21 May, 2004 from Deep in the Heartlessness of Texas
Squish - The actual M-Powered program and the PTLE program are identical. LE comes with much more expensive hardware and a bunch of extra programs, like BFD Lite and so on. For what it's worth, if you qualify for academic discount and are in the US, M-powered can be had for $149.
But, yeah, if you don't think you need it now, I wouldn't worry to much much about it. You can always get it later if things change.
That said, the one thing that most PT-haters will agree about is that it's a great environment for laying down audio tracks and mixing. Add the VST2Rtas adapter from FXpansion for $99, and you open it up to the whole world of VSTs and VSTIs.
That 32 mono track limitation (16 tracks stereo) will kick your ass, though, if you're doing even medium-large mixes. There are a few work-arounds, but the bundle that Digi sells to open it up to 48 stereo tracks, (among other things), costs 500 bucks, and is porobably the main thing that pisses off M-Powered and LE users.
But, yeah, if you don't think you need it now, I wouldn't worry to much much about it. You can always get it later if things change.
That said, the one thing that most PT-haters will agree about is that it's a great environment for laying down audio tracks and mixing. Add the VST2Rtas adapter from FXpansion for $99, and you open it up to the whole world of VSTs and VSTIs.
That 32 mono track limitation (16 tracks stereo) will kick your ass, though, if you're doing even medium-large mixes. There are a few work-arounds, but the bundle that Digi sells to open it up to 48 stereo tracks, (among other things), costs 500 bucks, and is porobably the main thing that pisses off M-Powered and LE users.
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- KVRAF
- 19156 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
Good to hear. I can recommend Cubase, because it continues to serve me well, but it has no demo, so that's lame. Lots to choose from now...Sonar, Tracktion, eXt..it was such a simple choice for me 5 years ago. Now...whoo!Squish wrote:Hi bduffy,
Basically I just need a good system to mix on. No compatibilty needed. Not yet at least
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- KVRist
- 121 posts since 30 Dec, 2004
Thanks guys, I'll do some more looking. My main concern was the the LE software was so basic that I wouldn't be having as much success on it as I would another DAW that maybe had a better tool selection. I don't know what LE is missing, all I here is rumours, for example PDC or no??
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- KVRAF
- 3382 posts since 21 May, 2004 from Deep in the Heartlessness of Texas
Alan -- I haven't been following it much for the past 6 months or so, but I just hit the DUC, and it seems that LE still does not have ADC, either. Like I said, LE and M-Powered are essentially the same program, as I understand it.
And there's already a LOT of bitching at the DUC about the 7.3 download and install being horribly broken in multiple ways. Another reason I'm not going to even look at buying 7.3 for some time....
And there's already a LOT of bitching at the DUC about the 7.3 download and install being horribly broken in multiple ways. Another reason I'm not going to even look at buying 7.3 for some time....