everything what makes the original instrment that unique is not captured ...
so really forget the VSTi stuff....
pure flatness.
if you want refernece soundquality(vangelis), you should start with using reference sound sources...
Van Gelis Sound.
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- KVRian
- 1144 posts since 26 Sep, 2005 from Germany
that arturia c**p sounds like its just pure antialiasing...
everything what makes the original instrment that unique is not captured ...
so really forget the VSTi stuff....
pure flatness.
if you want refernece soundquality(vangelis), you should start with using reference sound sources...
everything what makes the original instrment that unique is not captured ...
so really forget the VSTi stuff....
pure flatness.
if you want refernece soundquality(vangelis), you should start with using reference sound sources...
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- KVRAF
- 4669 posts since 26 Sep, 2005 from U.A.E
thats so good!!!brok landers wrote:heh, correct ... the cs80v doesn't sound like the real deal at all imo ...
however, i had to do an orchestral vangelis like song ... it never got finished ... all vst, no hardware ...
have a listen:
draft.mp3 128kb
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- Skunk Mod
- 21249 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from Pony Pasture
Whatever synth you use, remember that to sound like Vangelis takes Vangelistic technique. Pump that mod wheel for all it's worth. Make that puppy talk. And don't neglect the role effects play.
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- KVRist
- 57 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Elsewhere
That's like... 99 percent Vangelis-ish, Brok! Fantastic!brok landers wrote:however, i had to do an orchestral vangelis like song ... it never got finished ... all vst, no hardware ...
Equipment: Cubase 5, Emulator X, Ion, Fantom Xa, Wavestation, M1, Albino, BLUE, Predator, Atmosphere, Stylus RMX, X-Treme FX, Alchemy, Omnisphere
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- KVRAF
- 37426 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
There's a great Nord G2 Modular ensemble called "That greek guy" 
that sounds great - and a few others that are pretty Vangellisy.
that sounds great - and a few others that are pretty Vangellisy.-
- KVRist
- 253 posts since 19 Nov, 2002 from Toronto, Canada
Getting the Vangelis "sound" is much more about performance than it is timbre. Vangelis makes considerable use of dynamics, expression pedals, ribbon controllers, etc., and this is what makes his "sound" so much different from everyone else, and why covers of Vangelis almost always fall flat.
Most of the synth patches on his classic albums are unremarkable at best and obnoxiously cheesy at worst. But he gets away with it because of what he puts into his performance.
In short: no VSTi is going to make you sound like Vangelis for more than a couple of notes.
Most of the synth patches on his classic albums are unremarkable at best and obnoxiously cheesy at worst. But he gets away with it because of what he puts into his performance.
In short: no VSTi is going to make you sound like Vangelis for more than a couple of notes.
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- KVRist
- 402 posts since 23 Sep, 2003 from Los Angeles
The first minute of that demo is not half-bad, but I'm not sure I'd make it that bright if I was doing an "homage" to to Vangelis. I'd also find a way to show off the poly-aftertouch capabilities, even if I had to program it manually in a sequencer. One of the reasons I have a Kurzweil MIDIBoard is the PolyAT option, and I also have an ExpressionMate for the ribbon and breath controller inputs. The CS-80 doesn't really come into it's own until you can control it like the original. I created a brief example of the characteristic sound of the CS-80 in my review on audioMIDI.com's web site.laputa_sync wrote:
version...
ftp://ftp2.arturia.com/samples/demoweb/CS80V_demo.mp3
A CS-80V demo song inspired by Vangelis and Eddie Jobsom. Big thanks to Mitsuru Sakaue.
While the demo is not dead-on, it's pretty good - and anyone who says the Arturia CS-80V is *nothing* like the original is just plain nuts.
Houston Haynes
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- KVRAF
- 2813 posts since 14 Feb, 2001 from What do you care? :)
Expression pedals, dynamics? What's that?
Seriously... if you look at any pictures of Vangelis' setup, that's the first thing you notice... all the expression pedals that he uses. So, definitely, you need to invest in one of those - and ride that puppy!
I think the point about the performance vs. the synth is very valid. I would think that Vangelis has used just about every synth out there and if you read through some of the Vangelis sites, you'll find that indeed this seems true. It seems that at some point or other he's owned just about every kind of synth out there.
And yet... when he plays them they all sound like Vangelis. I suspect that Vangelis could take a handful of free vsts (like Synth1, Triangle, etc.) and still come up with 'that' sound.
That said, yeah... the CS80 is kind of his signature synth. But does he even have that still? I thought he loaned it to Suzanne Ciani a while ago.
In the Mythodea video I noticed that one of the things in his rack was an M1, and indeed... I've found that out of ALL the items I have (including when I was betatesting the CS80v), my uQ and my T2 have the best "CS80" Chariots sound. So perhaps that is also why that M1r was in his rack.
If that's the case, then I guess I would recommend checking out the Korg Legacy Digital Collection. In which case, yes, it can be said that you could recreate that sound in a vst. IMO, too the KLDC sounds even better than the original. Though some here have countered me on that opinion. So, perhaps I was wrong. Though I do happen to have a Wavestation and the T2EX and have had them ever since release... so I kind of thought I knew what they sounded like, lol.
Seriously... if you look at any pictures of Vangelis' setup, that's the first thing you notice... all the expression pedals that he uses. So, definitely, you need to invest in one of those - and ride that puppy!
I think the point about the performance vs. the synth is very valid. I would think that Vangelis has used just about every synth out there and if you read through some of the Vangelis sites, you'll find that indeed this seems true. It seems that at some point or other he's owned just about every kind of synth out there.
And yet... when he plays them they all sound like Vangelis. I suspect that Vangelis could take a handful of free vsts (like Synth1, Triangle, etc.) and still come up with 'that' sound.
That said, yeah... the CS80 is kind of his signature synth. But does he even have that still? I thought he loaned it to Suzanne Ciani a while ago.
In the Mythodea video I noticed that one of the things in his rack was an M1, and indeed... I've found that out of ALL the items I have (including when I was betatesting the CS80v), my uQ and my T2 have the best "CS80" Chariots sound. So perhaps that is also why that M1r was in his rack.
If that's the case, then I guess I would recommend checking out the Korg Legacy Digital Collection. In which case, yes, it can be said that you could recreate that sound in a vst. IMO, too the KLDC sounds even better than the original. Though some here have countered me on that opinion. So, perhaps I was wrong. Though I do happen to have a Wavestation and the T2EX and have had them ever since release... so I kind of thought I knew what they sounded like, lol.
Available on iTunes, Amazon, etc.
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- KVRist
- 484 posts since 5 Jan, 2004 from In the now
Oddly enough, the synth that is best for Vangelis-like big pads, horn-section-sounding leads and gorgeous bells as well as punchy arp-lines is imo the Virus.
Maybe it is because of the good sounding reverb and excellent phaser that does it.
I've spent many hours trying to program Vangelis patches on the CS-80v but failing miserably thinking it's down to my inferior programming skills, and maybe it is, but I *can* do it on the Virus... easily...
Maybe it is because of the good sounding reverb and excellent phaser that does it.
I've spent many hours trying to program Vangelis patches on the CS-80v but failing miserably thinking it's down to my inferior programming skills, and maybe it is, but I *can* do it on the Virus... easily...
"If less is more, just think of how much more, more will be".
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- KVRist
- 142 posts since 9 Mar, 2005 from USA
Convincing Vangelis-like CS-80 symphonic sounds can be achieved by layering VSTi with a decent hardware analog/hybrid. I use a Korg DSS-1 layered with CS-80V and SuperwaveP8 to get a gorgeous Blade-Runner like sound. The purpose of layering with a hardware synth is to bring out more beef in the bottom end which VSTi often lack. I think CS-80V basically nails the spirit of the original synth, even if it doesn't sound exactly like it.
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- KVRist
- 402 posts since 23 Sep, 2003 from Los Angeles
Honestly, the CS-80V *suffers* from it's authenticity to the user interface. It takes some getting used to the way that the levers and sliders behave (which can seem opposite from one another and create some initial confusion). You also have to understand how to make the right kind of control available in the left-hand section, and how to use it to elicit the right kind of behavior for a particular effect.pepelogu wrote:I've spent many hours trying to program Vangelis patches on the CS-80v but failing miserably thinking it's down to my inferior programming skills, and maybe it is, but I *can* do it on the Virus... easily...
If you're finding it easier to create a particular musical effect with another synth, it's probably because you *know* how to get there with the knobs, sliders and other controls for that instrument. At the end of the day, it's still about an oscillator or two, a filter or two, a VCA and a few envelopes, LFOs and controllers to push the sound around. Most of "the old hands" that programmed and played the CS-80 love the CS-80V for the same reason, even if the emulation of the sound is not 100% accurate. Familiarity makes for good bedfellows.
Houston Haynes
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- KVRAF
- 4669 posts since 26 Sep, 2005 from U.A.E
You just call moi an idiot?HHaynes wrote:laputa_sync wrote:
ftp://ftp2.arturia.com/samples/demoweb/CS80V_demo.mp3
A CS-80V demo song inspired by Vangelis and Eddie Jobsom. Big thanks to Mitsuru Sakaue.
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- KVRist
- 402 posts since 23 Sep, 2003 from Los Angeles
laputa_sync wrote:You just call moi an idiot?
Noooo - the bozos that post missives like "the cs80v doesn't sound like the real deal at all imo ... "
Houston Haynes