Edirol PCR 300/500/800 - First Impressions

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This is what I did to get it to work okay inside Cubase... First, note that on page 90 of the manual it says that Memory Number 3 is for "Cubase 3 SX (MCR-8 Mode4)". So that was my clue.... the manual doesn't explain it, I had to figure it out. :( The "MCR-8" was the clue... So inside Cubase, I go to Devices -> Device Setup... then inside that I believe there is a little "+" button that allows you to add devices... there you should be able to add a Roland MCR device! From there, you should be able to configure it's MIDI ports for that specific remote device. I can't remember which ports do the trick, but try them all, and that should be enough info to get you to the right place. Then, once the device is set up, it seems to work fine as a controller in Cubase. Make sure the MCR is on preset 3, and your remote device in Cubase is a Roland MCR8, plus make sure the midi ports are correctly assigned, and you should be good to go!

Even the little transport controls on the PCR300 work. I think it took a while for me to figure it out, and I had to read through the Cubase documentation, and do a lot of trial and error, but the steps above should get you on the right path.

On top of that, you can load up the PCR Editor to program each of the 16 preset patches inside the PCR300... and you can assign every button to whatever midi control code you want to. If you load up PCR Editor, then take a look at what preset 3 contains (the Cubase/MCR preset) you'll see how they assigned the codes. Then you can reassign the codes as needed to however you work. Once you get into it, it actually is quite well done, for a BASIC controller.

Nothing like Automap of course, but far easier to use than most other controllers I've used. The little PCR Editor software (found on the install CD that comes with the PCR) is ultra-simple, but effective.

If you can get the control codes for some of the other controllers out there, I guess with the PCR Editor, you could theoretically program the PCR300 to emulate one of those other controllers too. I haven't tried that, nor do I intend to, but once you get a feel for the simple PCR Editor and the way presets work in the PCR, it really does function pretty well for a basic controller.

Hope that helps!!!

The sad thing is that the marketing is very misleading when it talkes about Dynamic Mapping... that's a real shame, since the product is quite good. It may get a bad rap just for the misleading marketing. The thing is that the Dynamic Mapping is really just the built-in ACT plugin in Sonar... and like I mentioned earlier, it really does work well. In minutes in Sonar, for example, I was easily reassigning VSTi controls to the knobs and sliders without even reading the manual. So the Dynamic Mapping's full potential is only realized in Sonar.

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cheers that really helpful, i managed to get the controller assignments by downloading the contol maps for the pcr50 and looking at the assignments, luckily the main controls like cout off and resonance are similar so i can cobble together one main map in the editor and transmit it to the keyboard. I hope eventually edirol will produce a comprehensive list of control maps for this keyboard as it has a lot of potential, i dont mind the dynamic mapping not working with cubase as long as they bring out loads of control maps like they have for their older keyboards, i suppose we have to be patient as it is a new piece of kit. I have to say the build quality and general build it very good an the controls feel responsive and well managed. Like i say previously i had the sl remote 37 which where it looked nice i think it will always be buggy and will never match up to the ease of control you will get with the universal mackie control system like one the o1x and mackie 4, why doesnt someome bring out a kryboard controller with mackie uni control for gods sake, i'd have snapped that up straight away. I Was also talking into buying a cme uf5 from sound controller, we were both taken in by its "professional midi controller" claims, it is far from that, its a GM synth contoller at best, you cannot save changed controller maps so you are stuck with one without loading it in via sysex and overwriting the existing map, do not buy this if you want a controller. if anyone is looking for a cheap basic controller they could do a lot worse than my old pcr50.
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managed to get this setup now, however i am having a few problems, some of the buttions when setup seem to randomly trigger otherstuff, for instance i setup the pads and when i press them they also trigger the mute buttons on some channels, the master volume key cc7 is even worse, when i set this for an instrument, any vsti when pressed cubase goes haywire, any ideas?
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I've noticed issues with Cubase too... it appears that it's passing the control codes to EVERYTHING and if there's a control code that is the same as something in a VSTi, then all hell can break loose. I blame Cubase for this, frankly, since in Sonar and others, the focus window seems to receive the codes, or least that overlapping is managed better. I haven't solved this in Cubase, but a temporary workaround may be to change presets when working with VSTis.... so it doesn't send whatever extra junk is needed by the MCR mode. OR, I am thinking of trying to send certain codes on certain channels... the PCR editor allows you to assign each code to different channels, so that may be the best way to approach it. Let us know if you have success. Again, back in Sonar, it works the best due to ACT. Oh well....

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i'd like to migrate to sonar but i have too many projects running in cubase, plus you cant beat the audio editing in cubase to be honest, that said i have tried the new sonar yet. I got around this problem by not setting the main volume in any vsti's, if you choose configure the parameters you need like cut off and res then it seems to be ok, however.... christ those pads are shite, plus most of them when use have the same effect as main volume you end up randomly muting midi chanels. I had similar problems on the last three keyboards i have had so you are right when you say this is cubase related. i have only managed to configure fm7, minimonsta and pro 52 so far as i cant find the controller valuse for my other synths anywhere. Tried to configure battery on the pads.. failed miserably.
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Yeah, if you are sticking with Cubase most of the time, you might just consider going through the pain of Novation's Automap, warts and all... once you get through it, it works far better with Cubase and is wonderful. If you go Sonar, then Edirol + ACT is pretty dang good.

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i took the novtation back sa i found it too complicated and bugg, i honestly dont think it will every work properly. I was thinking of getting a mackie universal device like an 01x and keep my old keyboard, i wish i had now as i have just spent £240 on a new keyboard that just looks better than my old pcr50 and really only has a couple of additional features. I'd take it back but i have already taken back two keyboard so i am stuck with this one so i will make the bloody thing work if it kills me :)
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Well, there's always ebay. But seriously, if you've already have a nightmare with Novation then the sad fact is that controllers are not up to your level yet. :( I understand your frustration, but maybe you should be looking at your edirol as strictly a keyboard for your softsynths, and get something like the new Frontier Design Alphatrack for control purposes. Those are looking mighty good to me now and I'm thinking of taking the plunge.

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I had a look at those myself but was concerned but decided against another controller without any sort of mapping option. mackie universal is the way forward i think. I'll probably bit the bullet and get a mackie control universal the end and that will be that, proper automap no faffing.
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I thought you could.... hmmmmm... I'll have to try it out and see what types of limitations it might have. Have you looked at the downloads on Frontier's website to read the documentations and how the plugins work? I think it looks pretty slick. I'm just going through the various docs right now on the Frontier site and it looks really really good. It has some pretty powerful plugins. This plus the PCR300 would be a really nice combo.

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spoke to edirol on friday, had an odd conversation, ask then/him, sounded like just one guy covering the whole support world, apparently they are working on the controller maps at the moment but they it is taking longer as they are rewriting the old maps and cant test them as they dont have a copy of cubase... eh what..i said, aparently support dont have a copy of cubase to test on.. oh my god cowboys, however they chap was very knowlegable and said he woudl mail me them as soon as he has got them together. he did also say dynamic mapping would cover cubase at some point, how they intend to do this with no copy of cubase i dont know.... jeez :)
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thanks for the update... :) If you hear anything more, please do post!

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Thank you for a good review w00 ..close to a decision - any more insight into the 300 Midi Controller working with Reason 3.0..

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i havent tried reason to be honest as i dont really use it anymore. Still no controller maps from edirol, they are really dragging their feet, i bit disapointing. However their phone support is really good, you actually get through to someone who knows about the equipment which was refreshing when you are stuck.
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Other Reason | VST users with the 300 please post!...

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