to BertKoor:
huge latency=awful driver. asio4all CAN help with this, of course, it has to be tweaked, not used at default settings. I had 100ms latency with WDM in Sonar and now I have 1.3ms with A4A - it worked for me, it's free, and no matter what, worth trying. it can do wonders. anyway, I suspect that the asio4all driver will outperform a native creative asio driver if you buy the X-fi..
regarding 10ms latency - I'me sure it is noticable and, and it would ruin the feel and connection with sound for me. I think latency bigger than 4-5ms is too much for playing VSTi's.
Does X-Fi Satisfy a "0" Latency Seeker?
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- KVRist
- 86 posts since 13 Feb, 2007 from Israel
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- KVRAF
- 16787 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland
Yes, Asio4All can help. But only to some extent. When I tried it on my RealTek AC97 (long time ago) it got slightly better, but not nearly as good as with a card with a proper Asio driver designed to perform at low latencies. I recall it went from about 50ms to 30ms. Below that it got erroneous on my system. Milage may vary ofcourse...
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- KVRist
- 227 posts since 9 Aug, 2004 from Ruislip, UK
Audigy is better than X-Fi? Really?darem wrote: Before you explode: I didn't say that X-Fi would be a better card for a pure DAW than the M-Audio card, because that would be bullshit. However, I think that starting with the X-Fi (if not with the better Audigys), it is a better solution for a mixed(!) environment, more so as you can switch between the modes the X-Fi offers (it has one mode dedicated to games, one to playing music and one for DAW's - and they are considerably different in how digital signals are handled).
I mean, X-Fi can do 44100 ASIO, Audigy can only do 48k.
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- KVRAF
- 16787 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland
Read it again. He didn't say that. Some of the better audigy's (there's a broad range of them) would work well enough in a combined DAW / gamers setup.imekon wrote:Audigy is better than X-Fi? Really?darem wrote:However, I think that starting with the X-Fi (if not with the better Audigys), it is a better solution for a mixed(!) environment
In the end any Creative card is a compromise when used in a DAW.
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- KVRer
- 19 posts since 5 Jul, 2004
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mu_Systems
During 2003-2005, E-mu designed and published a series of high-fidelity "Digital Audio Systems" (computer sound cards), intended for semi-professional / computer audio enthusiast use. They were released under the name E-mu, however bearing a "Creative Professional" label. The card names are number-coded: 0404, 1212m, 1616, 1616m, 1820 and 1820m, where 1616 is a CardBus version and the rest for PCI, while "m" denotes extra high - quality analogue outputs and inputs. The 1820m is touted as the series' flagship product. All of the cards have drivers for Microsoft Windows 2000 and up (32- and 64-bit). Apple Macintosh support appeared to be pending, but may have been affected by Apple's migration towards Intel.
While the core DSP of the cards is the same as used in Creative's Sound Blaster Audigy2 cards (and hence capable of 24-bit 192 kHz PCM sound), official press releases for the E-mu sound cards have emphasized Creative's lack of input on the design, and the in-house development of the cards and drivers — that is, they wanted to distinguish their "own" series from Creative's signature Sound Blasters. Notably, the cards and drivers entirely omit internal wavetable MIDI synthesis, Creative's proprietary EAX sound routines and basically anything commonly associated with the "father company". Although the cards were rushed into market and originally came bundled with fairly raw drivers (which have subsequently received periodical major improvements and even additions beyond the advertised specifications), they have generally met with rather favourable reviews.
During 2003-2005, E-mu designed and published a series of high-fidelity "Digital Audio Systems" (computer sound cards), intended for semi-professional / computer audio enthusiast use. They were released under the name E-mu, however bearing a "Creative Professional" label. The card names are number-coded: 0404, 1212m, 1616, 1616m, 1820 and 1820m, where 1616 is a CardBus version and the rest for PCI, while "m" denotes extra high - quality analogue outputs and inputs. The 1820m is touted as the series' flagship product. All of the cards have drivers for Microsoft Windows 2000 and up (32- and 64-bit). Apple Macintosh support appeared to be pending, but may have been affected by Apple's migration towards Intel.
While the core DSP of the cards is the same as used in Creative's Sound Blaster Audigy2 cards (and hence capable of 24-bit 192 kHz PCM sound), official press releases for the E-mu sound cards have emphasized Creative's lack of input on the design, and the in-house development of the cards and drivers — that is, they wanted to distinguish their "own" series from Creative's signature Sound Blasters. Notably, the cards and drivers entirely omit internal wavetable MIDI synthesis, Creative's proprietary EAX sound routines and basically anything commonly associated with the "father company". Although the cards were rushed into market and originally came bundled with fairly raw drivers (which have subsequently received periodical major improvements and even additions beyond the advertised specifications), they have generally met with rather favourable reviews.