KVR Audio

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Thu May 15, 2008 10:20 am

I just picked up an MU100 a few weeks ago, but I need to recable my studio so have barely played with it so far. I need to dig through my cable box for a RCA to 1/4" cable! I'm not even sure if I still have a pair or not. So far, it seems ok. I'd REALLY like to find the Cubase Preset list though for it pretty bad, since this is about the worst preset selection schema of all time.

Devon

Dunbar · Post by **Dunbar** » Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:02 pm

Excuse me for reviving an old thread but I missed TRS Studios' response back in May

Those Studio Panels you developed are exactly what I expected Yamaha to release.

I bought the SW1000XG six months after it first hit the shelves in the UK and I was suitably impressed, but I was left feeling it was a "work in progress". The mixer maps for Cubase VST 5 were adequate but there was room for improvement and there was precious little documentation (I spent a ridiculous amount of time trying to get them to work). There was no Yamaha standalone editor (I expected one to be supplied with the card) just 3rd party software that cost extra. Etc., etc…

Yamaha continued to provide regular driver support and firmware updates but software development seemed to be in the hands of enthusiasts. I spent year after year waiting for software to arrive that would fully integrate the card into any sequencer. Alas, it never turned up.

Cubase SX dropped mixer map support, Yamaha ended press speculation of a 2nd version of the card and the XGfactory web site disappeared …

I was left with the impression that the SW1000XG was never fully realized and was being quietly forgotten. A moment of hope came when Yamaha bought Steinberg, I expected XG legacy synths to get priority (as you would expect from a company that wanted to promote its own products) but again, the SW1000XG was ignored. I guess it was just too old to receive any attention.

TRS Studios - There is still a thriving market in 2nd hand SW1000XG cards - they're still selling on ebaaay for around £100. I'm sure that there is still a market for the software you developed; I'd still be willing to throw some money at the card if I knew it would work well within a sequencer.

(Please don't mention Making Waves Studio - I wouldn't even touch it with your DAW).

MaliceX · Post by **MaliceX** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:27 pm

Newsflash: For those who wish to stay on 32-bit, fear not. SW1000XG XP drivers work fine on Windows 7 Beta 32-bit!

Just thought I'd say something.

bobbyrabbit · Post by **bobbyrabbit** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:51 pm

I have tested with Windows 7 and as per Vista, the audio side of the sw1000xg works to a fashion, but again, the midi synth doesn't work at all. So, the Sw1000XG still only works at its best if using XP.

Tanglewood1973 · Post by **Tanglewood1973** » Sun May 10, 2009 4:15 pm

I've just tested the SW1000XG with Windows 7 32bit (RC) using cakwewalk producer and the midi looks to be fine. I haven't tried it before the RC so I can't say what it would have done with the 'older' version for me.

R-dean · Post by **R-dean** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:59 pm

Hi. I'm a new member and I would be very grateful if anyone could sort out a wierd problem I'm having with a Yamaha SW1000XG sound card.

I've been running the Yamaha SW1000XG happily in a (now)fairly old PC without any trouble. I replaced the original driver with the XP version and it really has worked well for years - very good headroom, low noise, no complaints. But this old PC is getting virtually beyond use so I've now fitted the SW1000XG in a newer PC - and, again, updated the driver for XP use.

BUT, I'm now getting a'frying noise' on top of the audio transience - it's only around the audio so it's not audible during silence, but it's obviously still there.

I've disabled all the other audio/video drivers to se if that would stop it and put the card back in the old PC and it works fine.

The only difference between the old and newer PC is that the newer one is running a SATA raid pair, running through a PCI controller card, whereas the older one has non-RAID IDE drives, which happened to run through an IDE PCI controller.

Any thoughts, please as I really don't want to ditch the SW1000 card if I can help it - and it still works fine on the other PC!?

Thanks

fhammer · Post by **fhammer** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:07 am

R-dean wrote:Hi. I'm a new member and I would be very grateful if anyone could sort out a wierd problem I'm having with a Yamaha SW1000XG sound card.

I've been running the Yamaha SW1000XG happily in a (now)fairly old PC without any trouble. I replaced the original driver with the XP version and it really has worked well for years - very good headroom, low noise, no complaints. But this old PC is getting virtually beyond use so I've now fitted the SW1000XG in a newer PC - and, again, updated the driver for XP use.

BUT, I'm now getting a'frying noise' on top of the audio transience - it's only around the audio so it's not audible during silence, but it's obviously still there.

I've disabled all the other audio/video drivers to se if that would stop it and put the card back in the old PC and it works fine.

The only difference between the old and newer PC is that the newer one is running a SATA raid pair, running through a PCI controller card, whereas the older one has non-RAID IDE drives, which happened to run through an IDE PCI controller.

Any thoughts, please as I really don't want to ditch the SW1000 card if I can help it - and it still works fine on the other PC!?

Thanks

I had similar problems with my Yamaha DSP factory card when I first got it.
It turns out that the Front-Side Bus (FSB) of the PC motherboard needs to be running at a multiple of 66.

As I understand it - when they first developed these two cards (DSP Factory & SW1000), the standard FSB was 66Mhz. By the time they hit the market, the standard FSB was 133Mhz (2 x 66 according to computer techs

)

So try changing the FSB on your Motherboard in the BIOS to a multiple of 66, and the problem may just go away -
Just don't ask me how, it depends on the MOBO & all sorts of crap

Then again, it could be the raid controller too

Good Luck

R-dean · Post by **R-dean** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:01 am

Cheers - that's really helpful. I've had a quick look in the BIOS and found the FSB to be set at 800. I can't immediately see how to change it at the moment, but I'll have a bit of a play and see what I can find.

Thanks again for getting back to me on this one.

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:22 am

R-dean wrote:Cheers - that's really helpful. I've had a quick look in the BIOS and found the FSB to be set at 800. I can't immediately see how to change it at the moment, but I'll have a bit of a play and see what I can find.

Thanks again for getting back to me on this one.

That's not the full 'story' per se. You're going to have to pick a CPU and memory speed that is divisible by 66 that works together, if your CPU, memory, and motherboard BIOS will allow it. Keep in mind that things are double and quad pumped now (double pump is sending data on the rise and fall of a signal pulse, quad pumped is sending two signals, etc.) So something that is 800Mhz that is quad pumped is really sending at 200mhz, but 4 'packets' are being sent, making it an effective 800mhz, if that makes sense?

What CPU do you have? What speed of memory do you have? What motherboard do you have? Setting the PCI slot speed is not possible, BTW, or at least not what I've ever seen. It's going to depend on the relationship of the memory and the CPU with the clock divisor. Some *DO* allow you to set a memory/pci slot divisor to help handle the relationship difference (like 3/2 divisor for a 100mhz memory FSB to a 66mhz PCI signalling speed from years and years ago) but if you have some crap low end motherboard with a poor BIOS with little to no configuration selections, it could be end game for you. I'm really reaching back like 5-10 years into my brain for feature sets for BIOS's, and haven't had to think/worry about this type of a problem, well... ever, personally. Post what you have, and most importantly, which exact make/model motherboard you have. I have to look at the manual.

Devon

R-dean · Post by **R-dean** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:44 pm

Right, here's the info on my PC:

Motherborad: ASUS P4R800-VM
Processor: Pentium 4, 3.0GHz
FSU speed: 880 MHz
BIOS: Amibios, vs 08.00.09 (May 05!)
System memory: only shows as 704 MB (speed: 333MHz)
Cache L1: 16KB
Cache L2: 1024KB
Cache L3: 0KB

I hope this is all the info you need. Your help is much appreciated. Cheers.

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:44 am

R-dean wrote:Right, here's the info on my PC:

Motherborad: ASUS P4R800-VM
Processor: Pentium 4, 3.0GHz
FSU speed: 880 MHz
BIOS: Amibios, vs 08.00.09 (May 05!)
System memory: only shows as 704 MB (speed: 333MHz)
Cache L1: 16KB
Cache L2: 1024KB
Cache L3: 0KB

I hope this is all the info you need. Your help is much appreciated. Cheers.

Of course, the manual is missing descriptions of options. Thank you Asus! Grrr... Anyway, you could try setting FSB to 533 instead of 800. 533 is quad pumped 133mhz. 133 is double of 66mhz, which might work, might not. To truly get back to 66mhz, you're talking going back to Pentium 2/3 days. We had PC100, PC133, then 60 and 66 mhz FSB's... oh gawd, my memory has so long ago dumped this information.

Yes, this will drop your performance on both your CPU and memory. UNDERCLOCKING shouldn't cause damage. OVERclocking is a different story. Now it's going to depend if your memory will support any other speed than what it sits at too. It 'should'. There were limitations with the old processors and memory where 400mhz memory would underclock to 333mhz memory, or was it 320mhz? Anyway, it should be fine.

I am curious what your Ratio options holds in the Advance settings under CPU's and what Locked and not hold as well. The other problem is the makers come out with *ONE* manual, multiple BIOS updates, and no instructions too, which is a lot of fun (cough cough).

Your Ratio actual value you're going to be working with is a number x 133 for a 533mhz bus. Your current setup is a number x 200 (the ACTUAL speed of your quad pumped 800mhz bus) I'm guessing with your FSB at 800, and your CPU at 3.0ghz, it should be Actual Ratio of 15, correct? What is your range of values you can select? What does ratio Status contain besides Locked too while you're in there?

Devon

JoeRizzle · Post by **JoeRizzle** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:02 am

Hi folks. I recently picked up one of these cards off a friend that was chucking it out. Seems like a pretty decent card, better than my audigy2 anyway. Only problem is i cant instal it as my mate couldnt find the installation cd. Is there anywhere i can find it? Ive tried on the yamamha support websites but cant find anything. If anyone lives in England and wouldnt mind posting me a copy of the cd or emailing me an iso of it id be soooo grateful. Hope you can help me guys! Thanks.

iain_morland · Post by **iain_morland** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:20 am

I have the SW1000XG drivers for Windows 2000 (not XP I'm afraid but I believe they do work with it). If you let me know your email address by PM, I'll send them.

crisis-at-music · Post by **crisis-at-music** » Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:22 am

Have a look at the very bottom of this page:

http://www.yamaha-europe.com/yamaha_eur ... ry=germany

There are some driver downloads.

JoeRizzle · Post by **JoeRizzle** » Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:42 am

Cool thanks guys. I downloaded Crisis's link in the end. Cheers for that buddy.

Anyone here still got / use a Yamaha sw1000xg ?