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Huggie · Post by **Huggie** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:53 am

I have for the last 10 years sampled pretty much every "Vintage" drum machine ever made!

Please excuse my blatant self promotion.... I am about to release a few products based upon my extensive library. One of the first products available will be called: "MPC60 Vol 1 (TR)" Imagine the 808, 909, 606 etc... sampled into an MPC60! There will be a Sample pack, Refill and an expansion pack for iDrum and Guru. All will contain over 500 24-bit samples...

The site with info on this product is up but the store wont be ready till the 8th of June... 4 days away!

I have spent a lot of time with some great Drum Machines... The samples I have collected are the real deal!

check it out:
http://www.goldbaby.co.nz/thempc60page.html

Again sorry about the self promotion.

Regards
Hugo

dusted william · Post by **dusted william** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:03 am

no problem I likes it

dw

dusted william · Post by **dusted william** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:04 am

looks like I'll be buying your guru kits!

dw

DigiPRO · Post by **DigiPRO** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:04 pm

shamann,

That was my 'policy', to avoid 'free' sources because I was thinking that they are automatically of low quality.

To my horror, I realized that many of them especially from link above, have much better quality than same kits included in commercial releases!!!

From now, I will carefully check every sample CD because it does not have to mean that I for $300 will get high quality on samples.

DigiPRO · Post by **DigiPRO** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:15 pm

Thank your for your inputs folk.
LBN - Kits from this source are very well sounding. I'm just wondering if that is samples from all velocity layers or that a compromise?

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:45 pm

One of the problems with the KB6 samples is that they tend to be culled from other sources, and so are inconsistent (i.e., not all recorded the same). Many of the Hyperreal samples show up on KB6.

I've found better consistency in the Hollowsun samples for Akai and the denhaku samples:

http://www.denhaku.com/r_box/r_box.htm

Although, to be honest, I think a lot of the drum machines sampled don't have much in the way of velocity layers.

@Huggie, what drum machines have you sampled? Some good ones to see would be the Movement Drum Computer, the MPC Electronics Music Percussion Computer, and since you're big on the MPC60, the Linn 9000 would be cool (not sure I've ever seen the Linn 9000 sampled, since there weren't many of them ever made, except maybe on the dodgy-looking Macanet site).

shamann · Post by **shamann** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:01 pm

Similar to the Audiopervert samples, I've always wondered about the quality of the Analogue Solutions pack, since they have both the Movement Drum Computer and the MPC Electronics Music Percussion Computer listed. It's so cheap, I could just get it myself, but cheap or not, I don't want to buy total junk.

Anybody here ever get it?

DigiPRO · Post by **DigiPRO** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:08 pm

Huggie,

I think that you have done an excellent job. I have browsed through examples on your site and I hope that you will continue to do this even with other classic machines as EMU SP-12 and so on

Just one question. I have never owned a MPC-60 so I'm wondering how you have solved layering samples? For example, are lower velocity sounds the same just played lower by machine?

I'm wondering this because of your .WAV package.

Thanks.

MaliceX · Post by **MaliceX** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:03 pm

http://www.acapellas4u.co.uk/topic7024.html

You can download these drumsamples for free, a lot of vintage drum machines are covered on this and are of reasonable quality. Problem is, you have to register to be able to see the attached downloads.

Huggie · Post by **Huggie** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:28 pm

shamann wrote: @Huggie, what drum machines have you sampled? Some good ones to see would be the Movement Drum Computer, the MPC Electronics Music Percussion Computer, and since you're big on the MPC60, the Linn 9000 would be cool (not sure I've ever seen the Linn 9000 sampled, since there weren't many of them ever made, except maybe on the dodgy-looking Macanet site).

You name it! Most of the Roland's, Emu's, Korg's, Yamaha's, Linn's, Sequential's, Boss's, Univox, Electro-Harmonix, etc...etc... yes I have sampled from the Linn9000... I personally like the MPC60 sound over the Linn9000 but don't worry all the drum machines I have sampled will have their day as products or part of products!

Hugo

Huggie · Post by **Huggie** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:11 pm

DigiPRO wrote:Huggie,

I think that you have done an excellent job. I have browsed through examples on your site and I hope that you will continue to do this even with other classic machines as EMU SP-12 and so on

Just one question. I have never owned a MPC-60 so I'm wondering how you have solved layering samples? For example, are lower velocity sounds the same just played lower by machine?

I'm wondering this because of your .WAV package.

Thanks.

The MPC60 has velocity sensitive pads... but they just play a sample at different levels... so no reason to multi sample it... however when you sample into the beast you can hit it's pre amps hard to get a limiting effect or even distortion. So I have sampled into the MPC60 at various different levels to take advantage of this!

Please note that I have not attempted to make the definitive MPC60 or TR's sound. These are creative tools using the strengths and foibles of the machines to get great drum sounds!

I think my products will stand out from the rest because they aren't just the same old samples of 808's and DMX's... Look at the MPC60 Vol 1(TR) .... TR's plus MPC60 = phat and that's a fact!

Check out the photo's to see some of the MPC60 Vol 1(TR) recording sessions:
http://www.goldbaby.co.nz/photogallery.html

Hugo

LBN · Post by **LBN** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:36 am

DigiPRO wrote:Thank your for your inputs folk.
LBN - Kits from this source are very well sounding. I'm just wondering if that is samples from all velocity layers or that a compromise?

I believe a lot of the older sample-based drum machines didn't have velocity layers, just a single sample per sound, so you probably aren't gaining an advantage there.

hollowsun · Post by **hollowsun** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:09 pm

LBN wrote:I believe a lot of the older sample-based drum machines didn't have velocity layers, just a single sample per sound, so you probably aren't gaining an advantage there.

ALL the older sample-based drum machines used one sample per pad and the original ones weren't velocity sensitive (they got round this by having two or three pads per sound - low, medium, full level ... and usually only for kick and snare). Later ones had velocity sensitive pads but often only 4 or 8 levels and all these did was play the single sample louder or softer with no tonal variation (and definitely no velocity switching). They also used only mono samples.

Also worth bearing in mind that these old things usually had a sample rate of 20 or 32kHz (with a resulting bandwith of 10 or 15kHz) and were 8-bit (just about!). Even the later sample-based beatboxes were only 12-bit so sampling them in stereo at hyper-sonic frequencies and über bit-depths is ... well ... not going to yield superior results - they'll just take more memory and disk space that's all!

And those old drum machines that boasted 44.1kHz and 16-bit....

The drum machine itself may have clocked at 44.1 and had 16-bit DACs but the samples were invariably re-sampled down to much lower sample rates at lower bit depths to conserve memory and squeeze as many samples into a tiny amount of ROM.

hollowsun · Post by **hollowsun** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:10 pm

loachm wrote:...Zero-G Nostalgia has many vintage drum machines - in fact it's the only sound module everyone should have...

Agreed

Steve

Huggie · Post by **Huggie** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:15 pm

hollowsun wrote: Also worth bearing in mind that these old things usually had a sample rate of 20 or 32kHz (with a resulting bandwith of 10 or 15kHz) and were 8-bit (just about!). Even the later sample-based beatboxes were only 12-bit so sampling them in stereo at hyper-sonic frequencies and über bit-depths is ... well ... not going to yield superior results - they'll just take more memory and disk space that's all!

And those old drum machines that boasted 44.1kHz and 16-bit....

The drum machine itself may have clocked at 44.1 and had 16-bit DACs but the samples were invariably re-sampled down to much lower sample rates at lower bit depths to conserve memory and squeeze as many samples into a tiny amount of ROM.

I'll have to respectfully disagree about not sampling Vintage Drum Machines at a better bit rate... Sure a lot of these drum machines used 12-bit or less but the manufacturers got around this using different methods of D-A conversion and filters etc... I think it is very worthwhile sampling these machines at 24-bit and 44.1khz. A sample based vintage drum machine is not just a sample player it is an instrument! For example the TR505 and TR626 have I suspect similar if not identical samples shared between them... and yet they both have a different character...

Of coarse this is only my opinion...

Hugo

PS. I think Hollowsun make great products!

Vintage Drum Machine Samples CD collection?